Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-29 Thread raingloom
On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:24:36 + Giacomo Tesio wrote: > Hi raingloom, mycroftiv and 9fans, > > As you might know I'm pretty heretic in Plan 9 (as much that my for > is called Jehanne) and I'm also very sympathetic with SJW victims, > mostly because SJW basically try to impose worldwide a

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2022-01-28 Thread hiro
> Imagine I post that you are a fascist and that because of that we > need another git client. I'm sure the same people that have been > trolling in this thread would be defending you. No need to imagine, as this has already happened. No big deal, as the mob (on twitter/hitlernews/etc.) calmed

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2022-01-28 Thread adr
ori wrote: All too often, the only post with technical content is the first post in a thread. The technical content is drowned in the bullshit. As a result, help is given off-list if it's given at all. It protects the questioner from the deluge of noise, but hides any debugging steps from

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-27 Thread hiro
> It's important to discuss politics. > > Elsewhere. Since everything is political, it has to be discussed everywhere. At least until everybody gets tired and resumes their non-political boring everyday stupors. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-27 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Hi hiro. History is full of counter examples that contraddict your thesis. At least since neolithic, human organization has been determinated by technology. The most recent (and most directly related to informatics) were Gutemberg's movable-type printing press, Meucci's telephone, the general

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-27 Thread ori
Quoth hiro <23h...@gmail.com>: > > Side note: technology is political. Deal with it. > > I disagree. Can you please disagree off-list? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T627a29a7babaf29e-M166b23bb0b589453fe720616

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-27 Thread Wes Kussmaul
On 1/27/22 16:02, hiro wrote: the majority of "hackers" have already failed to be political, when they sold their souls to the big corps like google and amazon. You mean like https://silibandia.com? *Wes Kussmaul* *Reliable Identities, Inc.* an Authenticity Enterprise 738 Main Street

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-27 Thread hiro
> Side note: technology is political. Deal with it. I disagree. Most of the time the forces in power will survive the changes in technology or even use it for their own benefit, possibly against you or against your philosophy you came up for in support of your technology. Of course there could

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-27 Thread ori
Quoth raingloom : > Side note: technology is political. Deal with it. Everything is political, but allowing posts on a topic to become explicitly political generally ends up completely derailing the technical topic. All too often, the only post with technical content is the first post in a

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-27 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Hi raingloom, mycroftiv and 9fans, As you might know I'm pretty heretic in Plan 9 (as much that my for is called Jehanne) and I'm also very sympathetic with SJW victims, mostly because SJW basically try to impose worldwide a US-workplace ethos that is compatible with US-styled corporate

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-26 Thread raingloom
(this sat in my queue for a few days, I originally wrote it when there were just 1-2 replies, then saw Russ's message and I held off, but it looks like the thread is still going, so I might as well fix it up a bit and send it.) On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:12:10 -0600 mycroftiv 9gridchan wrote: > Hi

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-25 Thread Clout Tolstoy
It's actually Mr. Tolstoy. Mr. Clout Tolstoy, and to be frank if you're not useful or have interest in helping, why waste your time? I have interest in helping if I can. What do you have to offer? Really? I have plenty of time to offer. On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:19 AM hiro <23h...@gmail.com>

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-25 Thread hiro
no regards at all. stop spamming mr. clout. On 1/25/22, Clout Tolstoy wrote: > Yo! Work with them if you want to, don't work with them if you don't want > to. > So, please stop spamming the list with useless infos. Where are all the > adults here? > Most of you have posted NOTHING useful and

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-25 Thread Clout Tolstoy
Yo! Work with them if you want to, don't work with them if you don't want to. So, please stop spamming the list with useless infos. Where are all the adults here? Most of you have posted NOTHING useful and probably feel proud of yourself, perhaps angry at others? If you can't control what

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-25 Thread Wes Kussmaul
On 1/25/22 03:58, hiro wrote: A decade ago this list was still a pleasant space not really. but i guess you weren't around to truly experience it? haven't seen your name in older archives. Back then we had discordians disrupting things for sport. The latest vandal version is the social

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-25 Thread hiro
> Insulting people... First this moron that is polluting the mailing > list with his stupid bot. It can be funny to you now, wait some > time when you'll try to search the archives. Are you now trying to casually create the impression that you must have confused mycroftiv with said bot? > Then

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Alexandr Babic
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Keith Gibbs
> On 25. Jan 2022, at 9.23, adr wrote: > > Just for curiosity, in what thread people has been harassed here > for race, sexual orientation, disablility or whatever you want to > add to the list social champion? > Perhaps when you said, quote, "I think you are not bipolar, you are just another

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Alexandr Babic
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread adr
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Lucio De Re wrote: Microftiv deserves the same kind of respect as Nemo and I think - he can correct me in private if I'm mistaken, I'll publish the correction if requested to - the former meant to express that respect, but his subconscious nabbed him. I also feel the

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Alexandr Babic
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread hiro
i reported your mail to the admin, too. On 1/25/22, adr wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, hiro wrote: > >> adr, you seem overly invested only judging from the amount of text, >> where you counter politics, with more politics, and shitty extremely >> uninformed rhetorics. > > Can you at least

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread adr
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, hiro wrote: adr, you seem overly invested only judging from the amount of text, where you counter politics, with more politics, and shitty extremely uninformed rhetorics. Can you at least respect the administrator of the list and wait to another threat to troll as usual?

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Russ Cox
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Marshall Conover
Hi mycroftiv! I'd be happy to lend some support and at least match your bounty. There's a lot to explore in the 9 universe beyond what has been covered so far, and I think the work you've done with ants and grid has been fantastic - and shows your dedication to growing the ecosystem and welcoming

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Keith Gibbs
Oh no. Someone doesn’t like Intro to OS abstractions! Someone on the internet has an opinion about someone that you may not agree with! *clutches pearls* *swoons* You are an adult, right? You can understand people have different opinions and motivations. He and others don’t like Mr.

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Keith Gibbs
+1 Instead of responding to an idea that would potentially benefit the whole of the community, several people got *personally offended* about the fact that the original author wanted to make sure that the effort was inclusive [as there *are* LGBTQ+, differently abled, and neurodivergent

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Lucas Francesco
khm is absolutely right, some of you are entirely missing the point. If you REALLY want 9fans to be about "no politics" y'all shall discuss what should be done or should be avoided in a new book, what other books got wrong and maybe if theres something to save about the one op is paying to

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Jeremy Jackins
> Fuck you asshole! It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues into fucking cesspools. The lack of self awareness is just stunning. On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 10:03, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:55:27PM +0100, Alexandr Babic wrote: > > >> I

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Thaddeus Woskowiak
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 1:06 PM Thaddeus Woskowiak wrote: > All of you throwing around curse words and other defamation should be > ashamed of yourselves. You want peace yet you cast the first stones. Grow > up. > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 12:58 PM Clout Tolstoy > wrote: > >> Can we be mindful of

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Thaddeus Woskowiak
All of you throwing around curse words and other defamation should be ashamed of yourselves. You want peace yet you cast the first stones. Grow up. On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 12:58 PM Clout Tolstoy wrote: > Can we be mindful of posting useful information? The original author, > albeit has an

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Kurt H Maier via 9fans
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:55:27PM +0100, Alexandr Babic wrote: > >> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro > >> for my taste. > > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a > > safe space, snowflake. > > khm, you are using

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Clout Tolstoy
Can we be mindful of posting useful information? The original author, albeit has an opinion, but also offered resources for work. I would put that on the useful side of things. Simply lamenting an opinion because it doesn't align with yours is edging on spamming. They have been forward with

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Pablo Tesari
did I subscribe to 9fags ? 樂 On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 14:51, Duke Normandin wrote: > Fuck you asshole! It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues into > fucking cesspools. > > > On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:42 AM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Duke Normandin
Fuck you asshole! It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues into fucking cesspools. > On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:42 AM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote: >> >> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic wrote:

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Kurt H Maier via 9fans
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote: > > > >> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic wrote: > >> > >> hello. > >> > >> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but > >> discuss it elsewhere. > >> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Duke Normandin
Maybe so! However it’s all the other bullshit that this list and Plan 9 doesn’t need. Too many opinions! Remember! Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one. And you know what comes out of both more often than not! Let’s play with Plan 9 and friends and keep the bizarro bullshit at home.

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 1:38 PM Duke Normandin wrote: > >> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic wrote: > >> > >> hello. > >> > >> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but > >> discuss it elsewhere. > >> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Alexandr Babic
back to C and 9 :-) shouldn't we write: int i=0; ++i; instead of +1 :-D -- Odesláno aplikací K-9 Mail ze systému Android. Omluvte prosím moji stručnost. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Federico Benavento
> On 24 Jan 2022, at 09:45, Steve Simon wrote: > > i suggest first you check your facts carefully before publicly accusing > anyone of anything. > > throwing unchecked accusations around is a good way to start an angry mob, > and we all know how inclusive those tend to be. > > -Steve >

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Steve Simon
i suggest first you check your facts carefully before publicly accusing anyone of anything. throwing unchecked accusations around is a good way to start an angry mob, and we all know how inclusive those tend to be. -Steve -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Duke Normandin
>> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic wrote: >> >> hello. >> >> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but >> discuss it elsewhere. >> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking >> about computers :-) :-) >> >> thanx, a.b. I agree.

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread hiro
it wouldn't be called *poli*tics if it was just "everyone own's", just fyi. On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic wrote: > > hello. > > please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but > discuss it elsewhere. > sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Alexandr Babic
hello. please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but discuss it elsewhere. sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking about computers :-) :-) thanx, a.b.     - Původní zpráva - Odesilatel: mycroftiv 9gridchan