Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread James A. Robinson 
As Chris indicated, the keyboard modifiers let you simulate buttons 2 or
3.  The remaining issue is the chording combinations, selecting with 1 and
then clicking 2 (cut) or 3 (paste), or having some copied text and using
2-1 to execute with args.  The patch I mentioned helps with those, letting
you sweep left and right to cut, paste, or execute with args.

>From the man page diff:

3-finger-swipe left to cut (cmd+x),
3-finger-swipe right to paste (cmd+v),
3-finger-swipe up to copy (cmd+c),
3-finger-swipe down to exec with arg (2-1 chord),
3-finger-tap to middle-click.

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016, 19:48  wrote:

> > I believe that it is documented somewhere on Russ Cox’s website or on
> plan9port.
>
> Sorry, I thought you were referring to the swipe gestures introduced in the
> link you quoted.
>
> sl
>
>

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread sl 
> I believe that it is documented somewhere on Russ Cox’s website or on 
> plan9port.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to the swipe gestures introduced in the
link you quoted.

sl

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread Alex Musolino 
>
> Is there any interest in putting these p9port style keyboard modifiers
> into p9bl or 9front?
>

9front has Shift+RMB for emulating MMB.

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread Chris McGee 
I believe that it is documented somewhere on Russ Cox’s website or on plan9port.

Basically, you can hold down the ctrl or alt keys while clicking/dragging to 
simulate the same action with the middle or right mouse button. I think that 
chording is possible too by holding down both ctrl and alt at the same time. 
Although, I’m not sure how you would do chording with the left and middle or 
left and right. Maybe you can use shift in those cases.

I’m wondering if this kind of thing has been discussed before. Perhaps there 
are good reasons to keep the functionality out of p9bl or 9front?

Chris

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 10:28 PM, s...@9front.org wrote:
> 
> Could you explain exactly what the modifiers are and how they work?
> 
> sl
>

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread sl 
> Is there any interest in putting these p9port style keyboard modifiers into 
> p9bl or 9front?

Could you explain exactly what the modifiers are and how they work?

sl

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread Chris McGee 
Is there any interest in putting these p9port style keyboard modifiers into 
p9bl or 9front?

It might be a good backup for when I don’t have a true three button mouse 
kicking around.

Chris

> 
> Since I'm on a macbook with a one-button touchpad I end up using
> the keyboard modifiers plus the patch submitted by djeannot24 to
> plan9port (see https://codereview.appspot.com/6115053 
> ) to help get
> around the lack of buttons.
> 
> Jim
>

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread James A. Robinson 
On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 2:13 AM Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> I've tried accessing plan 9 using vnc from a touchscreen tablet,
> and yes it does suck. Rio and acme really do want a mouse.
>
> With a multitouch screen it's possible somebody could think up a
> new gesture-based plan 9 interface which would work as well as mouse
> chording.

Since I'm on a macbook with a one-button touchpad I end up using
the keyboard modifiers plus the patch submitted by djeannot24 to
plan9port (see https://codereview.appspot.com/6115053) to help get
around the lack of buttons.

Jim

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread Richard Miller 
> i'm sure that touchpad will suck for chording.

I've tried accessing plan 9 using vnc from a touchscreen tablet,
and yes it does suck.  Rio and acme really do want a mouse.

With a multitouch screen it's possible somebody could think up
a new gesture-based plan 9 interface which would work as well
as mouse chording.

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread hiro 
i'm sure that touchpad will suck for chording.

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread Skip Tavakkolian 
> While I have a laptop and could put 9front on it, I also really like the
> thought of carrying around a little Raspberry Pi and portable
> keyboard/mouse as an alternative. 

i've used a "lapdock" with rpi/9pi.  it is *almost* useful as a term.
i don't have a pitop (below), but it seems practical using an rpi3 with
wifi support in plan9.  for that price, you could look like the
coolest kid in the class!  

https://www.adafruit.com/products/3065?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0j9l8Qqx6JQL4s1JHg1mMV88a0fHVij61v18dg3m_4QBoCvVHw_wcB

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread Brian L. Stuart 
On Sat, 10/1/16, James A. Robinson  wrote:
> Honestly I had been assuming one of those usb battery packs would work. :)

They work pretty well.  One I tested with a B+ and a 3.5" LCD screen
lasted about 4 hours before it crashed.  I should time it with a 3 and
one of the DSI interface 7" LCD screens.

BLS

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread Chris McGee 
Sure, they would work but it's one more thing to have to charge. My drill 
batteries are always charged and I already own them.

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 9:40 AM, James A. Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Honestly I had been assuming one of those usb battery packs would work. :)
> 
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 4:59 AM Chris McGee  wrote:
> I found some $4 voltage regulators that will convert 18v Lithium ion drill 
> batteries to power my Pi. Could be useful for field work.

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread James A. Robinson 
Honestly I had been assuming one of those usb battery packs would work. :)

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 4:59 AM Chris McGee  wrote:

I found some $4 voltage regulators that will convert 18v Lithium ion drill
batteries to power my Pi. Could be useful for field work.

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread Chris McGee 

> I forgot the thinkpad also has an inbuilt battery. Good for mobility
> and against flaky power in development countries.

I found some $4 voltage regulators that will convert 18v Lithium ion drill 
batteries to power my Pi. Could be useful for field work.

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread James A. Robinson 
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:06 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:

> i don't see a mouse in this keyboard. the keys have non-standard size
> and i'm sure it sucks to type on it. also once you add up the size of
> the pi, the pi case, the cables (dvi-hdmi, mini-dvi-hdmi, dp-hdmi and
> vga-hdmi adaptors) and the keyboard you're arriving at thinkpad
> dimensions anyway.
>
> I forgot the thinkpad also has an inbuilt battery. Good for mobility
> and against flaky power in development countries.
>
> On 10/1/16, James A. Robinson  wrote:
> > I was thinking about things like this:
> >
> > http://www.ohgizmo.com/2011/05/20/ohgizmo-review-verbatim-
> wireless-bluetooth-mobile-keyboard/
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 3:56 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> since i've never been in a cheap motel room with a keyboard and usable
> >> 3-button mouse i tend to just carry my thinkpad around with me that
> >> has a usable inbuilt mouse and keyboard in addition to a display.
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread hiro 
i don't see a mouse in this keyboard. the keys have non-standard size
and i'm sure it sucks to type on it. also once you add up the size of
the pi, the pi case, the cables (dvi-hdmi, mini-dvi-hdmi, dp-hdmi and
vga-hdmi adaptors) and the keyboard you're arriving at thinkpad
dimensions anyway.

I forgot the thinkpad also has an inbuilt battery. Good for mobility
and against flaky power in development countries.

On 10/1/16, James A. Robinson  wrote:
> I was thinking about things like this:
>
> http://www.ohgizmo.com/2011/05/20/ohgizmo-review-verbatim-wireless-bluetooth-mobile-keyboard/
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 3:56 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> since i've never been in a cheap motel room with a keyboard and usable
>> 3-button mouse i tend to just carry my thinkpad around with me that
>> has a usable inbuilt mouse and keyboard in addition to a display.
>>
>

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread James A. Robinson 
I was thinking about things like this:

http://www.ohgizmo.com/2011/05/20/ohgizmo-review-verbatim-wireless-bluetooth-mobile-keyboard/

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 3:56 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:

> since i've never been in a cheap motel room with a keyboard and usable
> 3-button mouse i tend to just carry my thinkpad around with me that
> has a usable inbuilt mouse and keyboard in addition to a display.
>

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread Erik Quanstrom 
he he.  Puerto Toledo ftw!

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread hiro 
> I have a Pi at work and a dual atom file/cpu/auth/etc server at home. it
> works well, it takes a few seconds to authenticate but is quick once you are
> connected.

what's etc server?
where is root, on the fs at home? or do you just cpu in or mount your
user's directory from the fs at home?
what's the latency?

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread hiro 
since i've never been in a cheap motel room with a keyboard and usable
3-button mouse i tend to just carry my thinkpad around with me that
has a usable inbuilt mouse and keyboard in addition to a display.

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread John Weaver 
It's not the bandwidth, it's the latency. I have been playing around with 
this for a few weeks now. I have it working on T60 that has the kernel, 
9fat and a cfs partition locally with the root on a vps 80ms away. There 
are pros and cons vs drawterm to the same machine. Things that I have not 
explored yet are 1) running a local build and binding $home from the vps 
or using the vps as a cpu server.



--
john weaver -- jwea...@ehzed.com



On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, Chris McGee wrote:


It would be interesting to hear how this works out in practice. The bandwidth 
requirement is probably so low compared to typical traffic from a hotel, 
compared even to smart phones.


On Sep 30, 2016, at 3:49 PM, James A. Robinson  wrote:

Is anyone here using Plan 9 as a terminal to connect to remote CPU / File 
servers over the internet to get work done?

If I set up a small Plan 9 cluster at home, I'm thinking it'd be pretty neat to 
be able to connect to the network at home over the internet.

While I have a laptop and could put 9front on it, I also really like the 
thought of carrying around a little Raspberry Pi and portable keyboard/mouse as 
an alternative.  Sitting here in a cheap motel room, I realized that all the 
hotel rooms I've been in over the past few years have a decent flat screen 
television that takes an HDMI input and has had decent, if not amazing, WiFi to 
the internet.

Jim

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread Steve Simon 

I have a Pi at work and a dual atom file/cpu/auth/etc server at home. it works 
well, it takes a few seconds to authenticate but is quick once you are 
connected.

I boot from the pi's flash so I don't really have a terminal but I keep almost 
nothing in the Pi.

-Steve


> On 30 Sep 2016, at 21:20, Chris McGee  wrote:
> 
> It would be interesting to hear how this works out in practice. The bandwidth 
> requirement is probably so low compared to typical traffic from a hotel, 
> compared even to smart phones.
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 3:49 PM, James A. Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone here using Plan 9 as a terminal to connect to remote CPU / File 
>> servers over the internet to get work done?
>> 
>> If I set up a small Plan 9 cluster at home, I'm thinking it'd be pretty neat 
>> to be able to connect to the network at home over the internet.
>> 
>> While I have a laptop and could put 9front on it, I also really like the 
>> thought of carrying around a little Raspberry Pi and portable keyboard/mouse 
>> as an alternative.  Sitting here in a cheap motel room, I realized that all 
>> the hotel rooms I've been in over the past few years have a decent flat 
>> screen television that takes an HDMI input and has had decent, if not 
>> amazing, WiFi to the internet.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread James A. Robinson 
Yeah, and and I wonder how the little Raspberry Pi compares to hardware
that was being used for terminals back in the late 90s.  It's certainly got
more memory and local storage available than many personal computers,
though I imagine the i/o bus is slower.

Digging around in my email I found this set of specs from my very first
workstation at my first full-time job in 1997:

Pentium 100MHz
2MB ATI Xpression Graphics
1 GB Disk (<13ms avg seek time, min. 64k cache); EIDE (not SCSI).
32 MB RAM
3com 3c509 combo ethernet card

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:22 PM Chris McGee  wrote:

> It would be interesting to hear how this works out in practice. The
> bandwidth requirement is probably so low compared to typical traffic from a
> hotel, compared even to smart phones.
>

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread Chris McGee 
It would be interesting to hear how this works out in practice. The bandwidth 
requirement is probably so low compared to typical traffic from a hotel, 
compared even to smart phones.

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 3:49 PM, James A. Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone here using Plan 9 as a terminal to connect to remote CPU / File 
> servers over the internet to get work done?
> 
> If I set up a small Plan 9 cluster at home, I'm thinking it'd be pretty neat 
> to be able to connect to the network at home over the internet.
> 
> While I have a laptop and could put 9front on it, I also really like the 
> thought of carrying around a little Raspberry Pi and portable keyboard/mouse 
> as an alternative.  Sitting here in a cheap motel room, I realized that all 
> the hotel rooms I've been in over the past few years have a decent flat 
> screen television that takes an HDMI input and has had decent, if not 
> amazing, WiFi to the internet.
> 
> Jim
>