Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step in

2001-04-05 Thread John Walsh
I wrote: >>(...)This effectively means that they are in some kind of just tuning: >> the ratio of the frequency of each note to the drone frequency is a simple >> fraction with fairly low denominator. (...) It's close to the even tempered >>ale for the fifth >> and third, not so close with the

[abcusers] how about 372 key/mode combos, then?

2001-04-05 Thread Jack Campin
Apropos of Pythagorean and related tunings, I saved this article from rec.music.early a while ago. Margo is r.m.e's resident exotic-early- tunings wonk (she plays this way herself on a pitch-configurable electronic keyboard). I *dare* any of you to ask her to expand on this... >From "M. Schulte

Re: [abcusers] multiple verses in abc2ps and relatives

2001-04-05 Thread John Chambers
Laura wrote: | Attached is a file of a tune with several verses. | | But then I forgot to attach it: My clone of abc2ps had the same problem, and I found it pretty quickly. If you have the source, there's a 1-byte change that will fix it. In abc2ps.h there are the lines: #define NWL

[abcusers] Pythagoras

2001-04-05 Thread Jack Campin
> There have been various interpretations on what the Pythagorian scale is > Can anyone tell me where to find out what Pythagoras said in a reliable > translation? No text by Pythagoras survives. His ideas on music were documented much later by Archytas and Aristoxenus. As the New Grove entry p

[abcusers] Re: scales and tuning

2001-04-05 Thread Derek Lane-Smith
All the discussion on temperament, if peripheral, has certainly been interesting and, if I may, I would like to add my two cents. It is my understanding that it is only the extreme octaves (top and bottom) of a piano that are 'stretched' to accommodate the non-harmonic overtones of the (inflexibl

Re: [abcusers] multiple verses in abc2ps and

2001-04-05 Thread Markus Lutz
Hello, if I looked well, abcm2ps 2.2.8 seems to print all of the words. Greetings Markus On 05 Apr 2001 16:30:47 -0400, Laura Conrad wrote: LC> Attached is a file of a tune with several verses. The B section of LC> the tune always has the same words, and in the A section for each LC> verse th

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Laurie Griffiths
I've wondered for some time how The Battlefield Band get away with playing with synthesiser and highland pipes in their line-up. It seems to sound OK. L. - Original Message - From: John Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... > After playing the pipes for a number of years, I find that the > piano,

[abcusers] multiple verses in abc2ps and relatives

2001-04-05 Thread Laura Conrad
I wrote: Attached is a file of a tune with several verses. But then I forgot to attach it: X:1 T:VI. Now, O now, I needs must part, C: John Dowland O: From The First Booke of songs or Ayres of foure parts, with Tableture for the Lute T:Cantus M:3/2 L:1/2 N:Original clef, C on first line K:

[abcusers] multiple verses in abc2ps and relatives

2001-04-05 Thread Laura Conrad
Attached is a file of a tune with several verses. The B section of the tune always has the same words, and in the A section for each verse the tune repeats but the words are different. All the versions of abc2ps and relatives that I've tried have lost some of these words. Does anyone know how t

[abcusers] Past discussions & digests

2001-04-05 Thread Graham Paton
As a newcomer, I find it fascinating following the discussions but the sheer volume makes it very time consuming. In addition I'm conscious that any questions I ask will probably have come up before. So: Is there any way to search past discussions (without downloading all the mailings)? Is it po

[abcusers] ABC tools and Cheat Sheets

2001-04-05 Thread Graham Paton
I use Abc Tools by Elizabeth Scarlett in Windows 98 to make cheat sheets (or crib sheets as we call them in Edinburgh) and would like (amongst other things) to produce 16 lines per page instead of 13. So three questions : How can I change ABC Tools default of 13 lines per page? Can someone put m

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread John Chambers
Phil Taylor writes: | Indeed. I don't think it's limited to DADGAD either. I am aware | that if I intend to play in D Major in standard tuning I always tune | the top E a little flat to make the F# sound good. It's a compromise, | because if I make it too flat the A and the top D will be off.

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Wil Macaulay
When tuning a fiddle, I use an electronic tuner for the A string, then tune the other strings by ear to the fifth. Seems to me that ends up a little sharp on E and a little flat on the D, according to the tuner. Laura Conrad wrote: [snip] > > As far as electronic piano tuners go, there are elec

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Frank" == Frank Nordberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Frank> A for keyboards - well, any decent piano tuner will tell Frank> you that he or she does not use strict equal Frank> temperament. You have to adjust the intonation slightly to Frank> get a good result. Frank> Th

[abcusers] abc for MAC

2001-04-05 Thread CRibet
I have been asked what is the best software (and why) to download for Mac users.   Anyone want a  go singing the praises of their favs? Cindy *** We do not quit playing because we grow old, We grow old because we quit playing. -oliver wendell

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half stepinMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Phil Taylor
Mike Whitaker wrote: >I would not be at all surprised to discover that most guitarists who >tune to DADGAD ('modal D' tuning) do so in a manner which is not in >the least even-tempered, too. And not necessarily consciously. Indeed. I don't think it's limited to DADGAD either. I am aware that i

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Bruce Olson
Simon Wascher wrote: > > hello, > > I wrote: > > >consecutive fifths wich are about just intonation and divide the > > >divergence between 12 just intonated fifths and the octave between the > > >other fifths. As I remember, this specific system also includes a > > >correction for the thirds. >

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Mike Whitaker
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:27:08PM +0200, Simon Wascher wrote: > for music which does not use a 12 key (piano) keyboard there is no real > need to use those intonation compromises. The color (intonation) of > every interval, step or harmony can be choosen more freely and the A > bevore the modulat

[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #473

2001-04-05 Thread Alan S. Watt
John Henckel wrote: >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:23:20 -0500 >From: John Henckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz... > > . > >One time I watched a professional piano tuner and was surprised to see that >he didn't use any electronic pitch me

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Phil" == Phil Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Phil> Yes and no. the expression "well-tempered" comes from the Phil> title of Bach's two volumes of preludes and fugues. (...) >>> No, I think most people these days believe that Bach's Well-tempered >>> keyboard was not eq

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Frank Nordberg
Mike Whitaker wrote: > > > cb 278.43 277.2 > > d# 274.69 277.2 > > You mean C# and Db, surely? Of course. Sorry. I had some font convertion problems. The flat and sharp signs actually were * and * (that's how they're mapped in MetTimes) and I messed up the search-and-r

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wascher
hello, I wrote: > >consecutive fifths wich are about just intonation and divide the > >divergence between 12 just intonated fifths and the octave between the > >other fifths. As I remember, this specific system also includes a > >correction for the thirds. > Phil Taylor wrote: > I stand corrected

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wascher
Hello Phil, Phil Taylor wrote: > However, if the system used involved distributing > the accumulated error from twelve perfect fifths among all the notes, > the result will surely be an equally-tempered scale, even though it's > mathematical basis is different? 'xcuse I think I got the point of

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Phil Taylor
Simon Wascher wrote: >To my understanding, there are two groups of tuning systems which both >are forming the basis of western music: >1) tempered intonation scales <...> >2) just intonation scales (I do not really know if this is the right >term in english the german term is "Skalen mit reiner

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wascher
Hello, > John Walsh wrote: > > In fact, the even tempered scale hasn't completely taken over. The > uilleann pipes are usually tuned against the drones, and I imagine that is > also true of the highland pipes and other instruments like the vielle > which have drones. (...) To my underst