RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility

2014-10-22 Thread David Goldfield 
Niklas,
Thanks for your message, as well as for your work in trying to improve Calc's 
accessibility.  I added a comment in bug 81112; I'm not certain if it will 
prove helpful or if it hasn't told you anything you don't already know.  While 
I'm not a mouse user, I tried using f2 to edit a cell and then to press escape 
to return to the worksheet.  However, NVDA is still not reading the cell data 
or coordinates as I use arrow keys to move through the spreadsheet.
As you continue to work on this issue, I am at your service if you're looking 
for users to test new builds.


-Original Message-
From: Niklas Johansson [mailto:sleeping.pil...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 11:35 AM
To: David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility

Hi
Two things, first:
I noticed that after I enter a cells edit mode by double clicking the mouse and 
then escape, I actually get reports of cell coordinates and cell values when I 
use the arrow keys. I don't now exactly what gets initialized when I double 
click on a cell but I'll keep digging.

Secondly:
I did a patch for the problem with zero being announced and it has been pushed 
to master. It would be nice if somebody could verify that it actually works 
especially if you could test with another Windows screen reader than NVDA. Note 
that this is only pushed to master at this point. 
You can download and try out the patch here:
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@51-TDF/current/master~2014-10-19_01.56.13_LibreOfficeDev_4.4.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86_en-US_de_ar_ja_qtz.msi

The focus issue is still not fixed so you need to use the workaround to double 
click a cell and pressing the escape button to get announcements. 
But after that you should be able to test that cell content other than 
numerical values are presented correctly.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that we can nail this focus issue soon.

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

David Goldfield skrev 2014-10-15 14:28:
> Hi.  While pressing the f2 key in Calc does provide cell coordinates, 
> pressing escape to return to the worksheet does not allow arrow keys to 
> announce any cell info.  What is odd, if this will be of any help, is that 
> OpenOffice works perfectly in NVDA.
> I can also tell you that it is important that NVDA users enable the "report 
> table cell coordinates" checkbox in the NVDA document settings checkbox.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Niklas Johansson [mailto:sleeping.pil...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:52 AM
> To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility
>
> V Stuart Foote skrev 2014-10-14 19:44:
>> Also when cells are empty NVDA sounds a Zero rather than blank--that is an 
>> NVDA issue.
> Hm... I'm not so sure it is a bug in NVDA. I'd rather think that it is an 
> issue in LibreOffice. It also seems related to the issue with only values 
> being announced. I believe that a big part of the issue lies within the fact 
> that the IA2 code from OpenOffice abuses the IAccessibleValue interface (that 
> should only return numerical values) by returning string values as well. It 
> also goes against OpenOffice/LibreOffice api (XAccessibleValue) which 
> probably was "fixed"
> on integration into LibreOffice leaving us in this unfortunate state of non 
> working accessibility in Calc on Windows.
>
> Regards,
> Niklas Johansson
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility

2014-10-20 Thread V Stuart Foote 
Several issues open in fdo Bugzilla for tracking these...

Bug 74441 - [Win Accessibility] Don't expose 0 as the value for each empty
cell in Calc   

Bug 81112 - Accessible events when navigating Calc cells containing text
strings are not correct [a11y]
  

Niklas's commits have moved things along.

Stuart



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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility

2014-10-20 Thread Niklas Johansson 

Hi
Two things, first:
I noticed that after I enter a cells edit mode by double clicking the 
mouse and then escape, I actually get reports of cell coordinates and 
cell values when I use the arrow keys. I don't now exactly what gets 
initialized when I double click on a cell but I'll keep digging.


Secondly:
I did a patch for the problem with zero being announced and it has been 
pushed to master. It would be nice if somebody could verify that it 
actually works especially if you could test with another Windows screen 
reader than NVDA. Note that this is only pushed to master at this point. 
You can download and try out the patch here:

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@51-TDF/current/master~2014-10-19_01.56.13_LibreOfficeDev_4.4.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86_en-US_de_ar_ja_qtz.msi

The focus issue is still not fixed so you need to use the workaround to 
double click a cell and pressing the escape button to get announcements. 
But after that you should be able to test that cell content other than 
numerical values are presented correctly.


Let's keep our fingers crossed that we can nail this focus issue soon.

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

David Goldfield skrev 2014-10-15 14:28:

Hi.  While pressing the f2 key in Calc does provide cell coordinates, pressing 
escape to return to the worksheet does not allow arrow keys to announce any 
cell info.  What is odd, if this will be of any help, is that OpenOffice works 
perfectly in NVDA.
I can also tell you that it is important that NVDA users enable the "report table 
cell coordinates" checkbox in the NVDA document settings checkbox.


-Original Message-
From: Niklas Johansson [mailto:sleeping.pil...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:52 AM
To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility

V Stuart Foote skrev 2014-10-14 19:44:

Also when cells are empty NVDA sounds a Zero rather than blank--that is an NVDA 
issue.

Hm... I'm not so sure it is a bug in NVDA. I'd rather think that it is an issue in 
LibreOffice. It also seems related to the issue with only values being announced. I 
believe that a big part of the issue lies within the fact that the IA2 code from 
OpenOffice abuses the IAccessibleValue interface (that should only return numerical 
values) by returning string values as well. It also goes against OpenOffice/LibreOffice 
api (XAccessibleValue) which probably was "fixed"
on integration into LibreOffice leaving us in this unfortunate state of non 
working accessibility in Calc on Windows.

Regards,
Niklas Johansson



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RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility

2014-10-15 Thread David Goldfield 
Hi.  While pressing the f2 key in Calc does provide cell coordinates, pressing 
escape to return to the worksheet does not allow arrow keys to announce any 
cell info.  What is odd, if this will be of any help, is that OpenOffice works 
perfectly in NVDA.
I can also tell you that it is important that NVDA users enable the "report 
table cell coordinates" checkbox in the NVDA document settings checkbox.


-Original Message-
From: Niklas Johansson [mailto:sleeping.pil...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:52 AM
To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility

V Stuart Foote skrev 2014-10-14 19:44:
> Also when cells are empty NVDA sounds a Zero rather than blank--that is an 
> NVDA issue.
Hm... I'm not so sure it is a bug in NVDA. I'd rather think that it is an issue 
in LibreOffice. It also seems related to the issue with only values being 
announced. I believe that a big part of the issue lies within the fact that the 
IA2 code from OpenOffice abuses the IAccessibleValue interface (that should 
only return numerical values) by returning string values as well. It also goes 
against OpenOffice/LibreOffice api (XAccessibleValue) which probably was 
"fixed" 
on integration into LibreOffice leaving us in this unfortunate state of non 
working accessibility in Calc on Windows.

Regards,
Niklas Johansson



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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility

2014-10-15 Thread Niklas Johansson 

V Stuart Foote skrev 2014-10-14 19:44:

Also when cells are empty NVDA sounds a Zero rather than blank--that is an NVDA 
issue.
Hm... I'm not so sure it is a bug in NVDA. I'd rather think that it is 
an issue in LibreOffice. It also seems related to the issue with only 
values being announced. I believe that a big part of the issue lies 
within the fact that the IA2 code from OpenOffice abuses the 
IAccessibleValue interface (that should only return numerical values) by 
returning string values as well. It also goes against 
OpenOffice/LibreOffice api (XAccessibleValue) which probably was "fixed" 
on integration into LibreOffice leaving us in this unfortunate state of 
non working accessibility in Calc on Windows.


Regards,
Niklas Johansson



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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Calc and Accessibility

2014-10-14 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe 

Le 14/10/2014 19:44, V Stuart Foote a écrit :

David,

Nope, still broken.  However remains easily worked around with an  change to 
formula bar and  to return to spreadsheet table and regain focus for the cell. 
After that, should have AccEvent announcement of cursor driven movement.

However, the more problematic is that the table cell accessible role is not 
correct when anything other than numeric values are in the cell.

Also when cells are empty NVDA sounds a Zero rather than blank--that is an NVDA 
issue.

Is it reported to NVDA bugzilla?

Regards,


Stuart

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From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:48 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-accessibility] Calc and Accessibility

Hi.  As of the 9/30/14 daily build of LibreOffice 4.3.3, I am still not 
receiving verbal feedback while moving from one cell to the next using arrow 
keys.  This is with NVDA 2014.3.  I posted a comment to this effect in bug 81264
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81264
I wanted to point this out as I was under the impression that this was 
corrected in 4.3.3.  Does anyone have any further info about this?

David Goldfield




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