Re: [Acme] Concerning alternative formats …

2018-03-05 Thread Matthew D. Hardeman
> On Mar 5, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Felipe Gasper wrote: > > >> On Mar 5, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman >> wrote: >> >> Especially with CT logging being a pragmatic requirement, time-to-delivery >> for certificates is likely to increase

Re: [Acme] Concerning alternative formats …

2018-03-05 Thread Martin Thomson
Sure. Plenty of ways to do that. If your primary concern is issuance, then you don't even need server push, you can just long-poll. In HTTP/1.1, that's gross because it ties up a connection and has some disgusting keep-alive properties. In h2 there is no opportunity cost to worry about, the

Re: [Acme] Concerning alternative formats …

2018-03-05 Thread Richard Barnes
Thomson: Could h2 push replace some of the polling here? On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 4:50 PM, Felipe Gasper wrote: > > > On Mar 5, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman > wrote: > > > > Especially with CT logging being a pragmatic requirement, >

Re: [Acme] Concerning alternative formats …

2018-03-05 Thread Felipe Gasper
> On Mar 5, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman wrote: > > Especially with CT logging being a pragmatic requirement, time-to-delivery > for certificates is likely to increase (slightly) rather than decrease. Quick point: the alleviation of polling would go for authz

Re: [Acme] Concerning alternative formats …

2018-03-05 Thread Matthew D. Hardeman
My working experience is primarily outside the PKI space, but I can offer some perspectives on scalability and deployment architecture issues. WebSocket is entirely appropriate for real-time or near-real-time bidirectional communications of an asynchronous nature. The overhead of WebSocket as

Re: [Acme] Concerning alternative formats …

2018-03-05 Thread Felipe Gasper
> On Mar 5, 2018, at 9:35 AM, Jörn Heissler > wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 09:11:02 -0500, Felipe Gasper wrote: >> Regarding alternative formats, I think ACME over WebSocket would be a great >> thing. Replay-nonce would go away, and clients wouldn’t need to

Re: [Acme] Concerning alternative formats …

2018-03-05 Thread Jörn Heissler
On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 09:11:02 -0500, Felipe Gasper wrote: > Regarding alternative formats, I think ACME over WebSocket would be a great > thing. Replay-nonce would go away, and clients wouldn’t need to poll for the > certificate unless the connection dropped. The server could send the >

[Acme] Concerning alternative formats …

2018-03-05 Thread Felipe Gasper
For what it’s worth: Regarding alternative formats, I think ACME over WebSocket would be a great thing. Replay-nonce would go away, and clients wouldn’t need to poll for the certificate unless the connection dropped. The server could send the certificate as soon as it’s ready. A simple