Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-03-07 Thread remco van mook
Dear all, thank you Erik for providing this helpful summary - although I do not think I was quite as indefinite in my concerns as you put in your summary :) I'll keep it simple and straightforward this time to prevent any confusion. 1) There is no need to restructure our set of policies based

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-03-02 Thread Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016, at 17:30, Erik Bais wrote: > As we are almost at the end of the current phase (after today. ) [x] yes, this makes sense, go there If anything minor needs adjustment, it can be done afterwards. The way it is today, the policy is clearly better than the existing status quo.

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-03-02 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 05:30:55PM +0100, Erik Bais wrote: > As we are almost at the end of the current phase (after today. ) I would > like to ask the AP-WG Chairs if they agree to add at least 2 weeks > additional time to the discussion time to make sure that all pros and cons > are

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-03-02 Thread Erik Bais
Hi, As we are almost at the end of the current phase (after today. ) I would like to ask the AP-WG Chairs if they agree to add at least 2 weeks additional time to the discussion time to make sure that all pros and cons are discussed. Currently we are looking at an objection from Remco v. Mook

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-03-01 Thread George Giannousopoulos
Hello all, Just before the review phase ends, I'd like to express my agreement with this proposal. [X] yes, this makes sense, go there Keeping all transfer policies in a single document is much more convenient than searching within scattered documents. I also strongly support Remco's

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-02-08 Thread Peter Koch
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 07:00:53PM +0100, Gert Doering wrote: > [X] I think we should be organizing this differently, and totally not > group the policy documents "by activity" but "by resource" (= transfer > policy section in the IPv4, IPv6 and AS number policy documents) while I

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-02-08 Thread Daniel Stolpe
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 08:55:45PM +0100, Erik Bais - A2B Internet wrote: The policy proposal states : > 2.2 Transfer Restrictions > Scarce resources, which are understood as those resources that > are allocated or assigned >by the RIPE NCC on

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-02-08 Thread Guy Chilton
Hello, [X ] yes, this makes sense, go there I'm happy with the proposal and the approach and would also agree with Remco's suggestion of the reference in the existing documents, that would make perfect sense. Guy On 03/02/16 18:00, Gert Doering wrote: Dear Working Group, On Wed, Feb 03,

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-02-08 Thread Erik Bais
Hi Sascha & Daniel, The reason for using the term "scares resource", is because we can't/shouldn't use the term "depleted'.. If one would use the term "Depleted' the NCC might say that the pool isn't completely empty yet.. so it isn't depleted yet.. Which would mean that there is, until it

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-02-06 Thread Sascha Luck [ml]
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 02:54:33PM +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: [x] yes, this makes sense, go there +1 However: I'd like to see a paragraph defining which resources are "scarce resources" That way, it is immediately clear which resources are covered by hold times etc, and more importantly there

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-02-06 Thread Tore Anderson
* Gert Doering > On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 02:59:06PM +0100, Marco Schmidt wrote: > > The draft documents for version 3.0 of the policy proposal 2015-04, > > "RIPE Resource Transfer Policies" > > have now been published, along with an impact analysis conducted by the > > RIPE NCC. > > So this

[address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-02-03 Thread Marco Schmidt
Dear colleagues, The draft documents for version 3.0 of the policy proposal 2015-04, "RIPE Resource Transfer Policies" have now been published, along with an impact analysis conducted by the RIPE NCC. The goal of this proposal is to create a single document with all relevant information

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-02-03 Thread Gert Doering
Dear Working Group, On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 02:59:06PM +0100, Marco Schmidt wrote: > The draft documents for version 3.0 of the policy proposal 2015-04, > "RIPE Resource Transfer Policies" > have now been published, along with an impact analysis conducted by the > RIPE NCC. So this is the

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2016-02-03 Thread Remco van Mook
Hi all, (all hats off) While I am highly sympathetic to harmonising transfer policies across all resources, I object to the proposal as written. The really short reason is as follows (and I quote) [The following policy will replace: - Sections 5.5 and 6.4 in ripe-649, "IPv4 Address

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2015-11-17 Thread Sander Steffann
Hello working group, > You can find the full proposal and the impact analysis at: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2015-04 Thanks to Marco and the rest of the RIPE NCC for this extensive impact analysis. This impact analysis uncovers a very serious issue that has slipped

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2015-11-17 Thread Riccardo Gori
Dear Colleagues, we have all to thank Eric for the hard work done. When the proposal apperead I thought it was good and would approve such content. In its essence is really fair and clean but the matter is highly complicated. I agree with the board and even Eric evaluated this kind of

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2015-11-17 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:58:36PM +0200, Nigel Titley wrote: > > If there is consensus otherwise to go forward, this will need a textual > > change that very clearly states in no unclear terms what can be done > > (and by omission, what can not be done), and another impact analysis - so, > >

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-04 New Draft Documents and Impact Analysis Published (RIPE Resource Transfer Policies)

2015-11-17 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 08:44:17PM +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote: > > This is a serious issue that will affect all of us. The chairs take this > > issue into the consensus-reaching process and we ask the authors and > > working group to address this. > > I didn't anticipate this issue, either,