Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Gert Doering
Hi Nikolas, On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 05:08:12PM +0200, Nikolas Pediaditis wrote: > Please allow me to provide some clarification. > > I can confirm that the RIPE NCC does take future deployments into account and > AS Numbers can be assigned in advance. > > Regarding this specific case, there

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Nikolas Pediaditis
Dear Aled, Gert, all, Please allow me to provide some clarification. I can confirm that the RIPE NCC does take future deployments into account and AS Numbers can be assigned in advance. Regarding this specific case, there was a miscommunication that we have now clarified directly in the

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Maxim A Piskunov
> > Huh. > So I was wondering if you realized that the outcome of your proposal was > “all requests for an AS must be satisfied immediately”. > But this sure looks like that is precisely what you meant. > If that’s not what you meant, you might want to explain what the approval > constraints

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg
Hi all, I've already drafted a policy proposal to make a change on this, but if I got it correctly, the chairs were believing that it was not needed, so I never officially submitted it. I'm happy to submit it again. It may be interesting for all the list participants to read my policy

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Sandra Murphy
> On May 7, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Maxim A Piskunov wrote: > > Possibility to have AS in advance - it's operator freedom in actions. > Anybody can be applicant for AS. Huh. So I was wondering if you realized that the outcome of your proposal was “all requests for an AS must be satisfied

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi Paul, > I personally have no problem with making it easier to obtain an AS if you > intend to multihome at some point in the future (measured in years if > necessary - let people who want to do the Right Thing from day one do that). > There are plenty of 32 bit AS numbers available, they

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Maxim A Piskunov
> > Please keep your language polite. As I already said - let's ask Marco > and Andrea for feedback what happened, and whether they need some sort > of guidance statement and/or wording change for us. > And, please, do proper quoting. "fullquote-style" is frowned upon here. > Attachments area

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 05:16:11PM +0300, Maxim A Piskunov wrote: > > Please keep your language polite. As I already said - let's ask Marco > > and Andrea for feedback what happened, and whether they need some sort > > of guidance statement and/or wording change for us. > > And, please, do

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Maxim A Piskunov
I explain a little more detailed. Obtained in advance AS has about zero cost. Real network resources has a solid costs. Resources should be registered at first, like we register a firm before start to do something. We need some lawful resource ability confirmation at first. On Tue, 7 May 2019 at

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 04:51:13PM +0300, Maxim A Piskunov wrote: > It is very strange situation, when network component is ready and we should > wait some time while obtaining AS. It's bullshit of office clerk. Please keep your language polite. As I already said - let's ask Marco and

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Maxim A Piskunov
I strongly take position that at least one AS any company may have in advance. It's nothing, but it's make further pain is void. On Tue, 7 May 2019 at 16:55, Hansen, Christoffer wrote: > > On 07/05/2019 14:18, Aled Morris via address-policy-wg wrote: > > I'm in the process of helping a startup

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Hansen, Christoffer
On 07/05/2019 14:18, Aled Morris via address-policy-wg wrote: > I'm in the process of helping a startup ISP get RIPE membership and > resources and have hit against a little bit of poor wording in the AS > guidelines RIPE-679, specifically: > > *A network must be multihomed in order to qualify

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Paul Thornton
Hi, On 07/05/2019 14:34, Dominik Nowacki wrote: Hi Maxim, What stops you from applying for the ASN once the cables are buried several years down the road, and while the build process is ongoing from using a default route instead ? Nothing, of course. But it is a little hard to announce your

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Maxim A Piskunov
>What stops you from applying for the ASN once the cables are buried several years down the road, and while the build process is ongoing from using a default route instead ? When build process is done, it should start work. It is very strange situation, when network component is ready and we

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Dominik Nowacki
Hi Maxim, What stops you from applying for the ASN once the cables are buried several years down the road, and while the build process is ongoing from using a default route instead ? With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales.

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Maxim A Piskunov
Hi, all! Since time when AS was obtained to time when network will become multihomed may passed some time, up to several years. It's mean several kilometers of cables should be buried in the ground before it happens. In some cases. Or the same onether kinds of tasks should be done. It's not mean

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 01:18:14PM +0100, Aled Morris via address-policy-wg wrote: > I'm in the process of helping a startup ISP get RIPE membership and > resources and have hit against a little bit of poor wording in the AS > guidelines RIPE-679, specifically: > > *A network must be

Re: [address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Dominik Nowacki
Aled, You could come up with a policy proposal to change the wording. With that’s said I wouldn’t say this is required. This is a common sense issue. Naturally if you can prove you’re multihoming the future network, so you have two ASNa that will peer with $NEWAS and they are happy to confirm

[address-policy-wg] Application for AS number

2019-05-07 Thread Aled Morris via address-policy-wg
Hi all I'm in the process of helping a startup ISP get RIPE membership and resources and have hit against a little bit of poor wording in the AS guidelines RIPE-679, specifically: *A network must be multihomed in order to qualify for an AS Number.* The application for an AS number has been

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2019-02 Review Phase (IPv4 Waiting List Implementation)

2019-05-07 Thread Randy Bush
> Policy proposal 2019-02, "IPv4 Waiting List Implementation" is now in > the Review Phase. /me supports we are here to do what we can to make the internet work. this helps by making connectivity as available as possible given the circumstances. randy