[adelie-project] Re: Anonymous popcon-like system
Hey, I had some thoughts this evening and I think I have taken your spec and fleshed it out a bit more here: https://xena.greedo.xeserv.us/files/Project%20Register%202018-04-07.html. I welcome any and all feedback for this approach. It is of course possible to use HTTP access logs to see what APK files are being transferred, but this only shows installs - not uninstalls. Such a solution also doesn't show usage over time. (Is someone just trying out KDE and then throwing it away, or are they using it as their daily driver?) I was gonna ask this question, and this is valid justification. I like it. Thanks, Christine Dodrill ___ Adélie Open Governance mailing list -- adelie-project@lists.adelielinux.org To unsubscribe send an email to adelie-project-le...@lists.adelielinux.org
[adelie-project] Re: Anonymous popcon-like system
On 02/12/18 15:44, Max Rees wrote: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:34 PM, A. Wilcox wrote: >> That's really something I'd rather discuss after we know what the >> thing is going to do first. Ideally, it would be something that >> the user could disable if necessary, but default to on (so it would >> be opt-out). >> >> Preferrably, the amount of information collection would be so >> minimal (a list of installed packages and versions along with a CPU >> architecture only) that no one would feel the need to opt-out. >> This information is very valuable for making sure Adélie continues >> to meet the needs of our users. >> >> But there's always going to be *someone* calling an always-on >> system that tracks packages "privacy-violating" or "non-free" so >> yes, it will have an off switch. > > That sounds good to me. I was just thinking that we should be as up > front about this as possible so as to quiet such calls. We all know > how loud such people can get if they think they are being deceived. Absolutely. I don't think there's any harm in noting during installation "by default, your system will anonymous collect the packages you have installed to help further development of Adélie. You can [link to docs] if you wish, but note that no personal information about you is ever collected." or such. > Anyway, with regards to the functionality, a future goal that I > think should be considered is integrating the general statistics > into Parcel, which is something I'm sure you're already considering > since you mention web interfaces in your proposal. Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking of when I wrote the API thing. I should have made that more explicit in the Opportunity section; I'll put that in the next draft. Thanks! Best, --arw -- A. Wilcox (awilfox) Project Lead, Adélie Linux http://adelielinux.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Adélie Open Governance mailing list -- adelie-project@lists.adelielinux.org To unsubscribe send an email to adelie-project-le...@lists.adelielinux.org
[adelie-project] Re: Anonymous popcon-like system
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:34 PM, A. Wilcox wrote: > That's really something I'd rather discuss after we know what the thing > is going to do first. Ideally, it would be something that the user > could disable if necessary, but default to on (so it would be opt-out). > > Preferrably, the amount of information collection would be so minimal (a > list of installed packages and versions along with a CPU architecture > only) that no one would feel the need to opt-out. This information is > very valuable for making sure Adélie continues to meet the needs of our > users. > > But there's always going to be *someone* calling an always-on system > that tracks packages "privacy-violating" or "non-free" so yes, it will > have an off switch. That sounds good to me. I was just thinking that we should be as up front about this as possible so as to quiet such calls. We all know how loud such people can get if they think they are being deceived. Anyway, with regards to the functionality, a future goal that I think should be considered is integrating the general statistics into Parcel, which is something I'm sure you're already considering since you mention web interfaces in your proposal. Max ___ Adélie Open Governance mailing list -- adelie-project@lists.adelielinux.org To unsubscribe send an email to adelie-project-le...@lists.adelielinux.org
[adelie-project] Re: Anonymous popcon-like system
On 02/12/18 15:09, Max Rees wrote: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:54 PM, A. Wilcox > wrote: >> My goal is something that is completely anonymous, unobtrusive, >> secure, and integrated in to the system. > > What will be the distribution method - i.e. as a package or > something that cannot be removed from the system? Will it be opt-in, > opt-out, or neither? That's really something I'd rather discuss after we know what the thing is going to do first. Ideally, it would be something that the user could disable if necessary, but default to on (so it would be opt-out). Preferrably, the amount of information collection would be so minimal (a list of installed packages and versions along with a CPU architecture only) that no one would feel the need to opt-out. This information is very valuable for making sure Adélie continues to meet the needs of our users. But there's always going to be *someone* calling an always-on system that tracks packages "privacy-violating" or "non-free" so yes, it will have an off switch. One that I hope no one will actually use. Best, --arw -- A. Wilcox (awilfox) Project Lead, Adélie Linux http://adelielinux.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Adélie Open Governance mailing list -- adelie-project@lists.adelielinux.org To unsubscribe send an email to adelie-project-le...@lists.adelielinux.org
[adelie-project] Re: Anonymous popcon-like system
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:54 PM, A. Wilcox wrote: > My goal is something that is completely anonymous, unobtrusive, secure, > and integrated in to the system. What will be the distribution method - i.e. as a package or something that cannot be removed from the system? Will it be opt-in, opt-out, or neither? Max ___ Adélie Open Governance mailing list -- adelie-project@lists.adelielinux.org To unsubscribe send an email to adelie-project-le...@lists.adelielinux.org
