Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-22 Thread Mahesh Tailor
@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM diskpool on SATA On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:06:17 -0500, Mark Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would *never* use a SATA pool for a primary TSM storage pool. Allen the Pedant simply has to chime in on this. I'm actually contemplating a SATA pool for a large

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-21 Thread Richard Sims
On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Laurent Bendavid wrote: I remember that it's some limitation with DISK devclass for restore purpose. It was a good IBM presentation about disk oriented backup with good advice but I don't succeed to find the URL (TapelessTSM). You may be thinking of IBM Technote

AW: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-21 Thread Salak Juraj
Nachricht- Von: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Monahan Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Juni 2006 21:35 An: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: TSM diskpool on SATA Did you do any FILE devclass work? It sounds as though your miserable performance

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-21 Thread Allen S. Rout
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:06:17 -0500, Mark Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would *never* use a SATA pool for a primary TSM storage pool. Allen the Pedant simply has to chime in on this. I'm actually contemplating a SATA pool for a large chunk of primary storage right now. However, this

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-21 Thread Prather, Wanda
@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM diskpool on SATA On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:06:17 -0500, Mark Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would *never* use a SATA pool for a primary TSM storage pool. Allen the Pedant simply has to chime in on this. I'm actually contemplating a SATA pool for a large chunk

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-21 Thread Allen S. Rout
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:06:22 -0400, Prather, Wanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I've worked with some SATA disk that drop to as low as 8MB/second after you exceed the cache read ahead/flush capacity (and that's on READ I/O, not even writes!). Amen. Preach it, sister. - Allen S. Rout - Has

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-21 Thread John Monahan
Thing is, even all SATA is not created equal. Before you decide you can put PRIMARY disk on SATA, ask about SUSTAINED throughput rates. If your data needs to go SOMEWHERE ELSE (like get copied or migrated to tape) from the SATA disk, think carefully. If you're talking a LOT of data, think

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-21 Thread Richard Sims
See performance studies such as: http://www.byteandswitch.com/document.asp?doc_id=82526print=true to see how SATA performs, particularly as I/O sizes vary. Richard Sims

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-20 Thread John Monahan
Bug your EMC rep for Backup to disk guide with IBM Tivoli Storage Manager. Though, you're already doing most of their recommended practices. They claim that Lab testing had shown that Solaris and AIX may perform slower than other operating systems, which is amusing / irritating. I did

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-20 Thread Allen S. Rout
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:08:59 -0500, John Monahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I did find and read that guide, although the information now seems a little dated (10/20/2003). It looks like it hasn't been updated since EMC came out with their own VTL, which would make sense if they are pushing

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-20 Thread John Monahan
Did you do any FILE devclass work? It sounds as though your miserable performance was head thrashing, which we'd get in multiple LV DISK devclasses, and also in FILE devclasses. Darn. :) No I was using a DISK devclass, but I'm almost positive it wouldn't have made any difference with FILE

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-20 Thread Kelly Lipp
@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM diskpool on SATA Did you do any FILE devclass work? It sounds as though your miserable performance was head thrashing, which we'd get in multiple LV DISK devclasses, and also in FILE devclasses. Darn. :) No I was using a DISK devclass, but I'm almost

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-20 Thread Laurent Bendavid
John Monahan a écrit : Did you do any FILE devclass work? It sounds as though your miserable performance was head thrashing, which we'd get in multiple LV DISK devclasses, and also in FILE devclasses. Darn. :) No I was using a DISK devclass, but I'm almost positive it wouldn't have

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-20 Thread Mark Stapleton
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Monahan Hundreds of LVs with FILE devclasses on fibre disks would probably do exactly what you are looking for and provide excellent performance. SATA just isn't good enough at multiple, simultaneous I/Os to the same set

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-20 Thread John Monahan
ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 06/20/2006 03:05:47 PM: John Monahan a écrit : Did you do any FILE devclass work? It sounds as though your miserable performance was head thrashing, which we'd get in multiple LV DISK devclasses, and also in FILE devclasses. Darn. :)

TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-16 Thread John Monahan
I'll share my experiences with primary TSM diskpool on SATA drives for the list, since this subject is becoming more common lately. Environment: TSM 5.3.4.0, AIX 5300-04-03, 1 CPU 4GB RAM LPAR on a p570 2 HBAs for disk, 1 HBA for 2 LTO3 drives Backup is roughly 650GB nightly and will more than

Re: TSM diskpool on SATA

2006-06-16 Thread Allen S. Rout
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:18:26 -0500, John Monahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'll share my experiences with primary TSM diskpool on SATA drives for the list, since this subject is becoming more common lately. [...] Bug your EMC rep for Backup to disk guide with IBM Tivoli Storage Manager