Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
and get satisfied with what they have bought Martin, This is exactly the point ! Are you satisfied with the ISC /AC combination so far ? If yes, I'm very happy for you, but from my readings of this list, lots of users are not, and so am I. I really would like to hear why IBM decided to drop a CPU and storage inexpensive / ergonomic /fast /readable interface for the new one. I may be paranoid, but I believe they had a very good reason for such a change : selling more hardware ! Cheers. Arnaud -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 18:06 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Hi Grigori and Arnaud, For someone that has been using TSM from version 5.2 or familiar with TSM we can say that How about to convince new customers that the old thing better that the new one. They prefer use things new (up-to-date) and get satisfied with what they have bought. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Grigori Solonovitch Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:58 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC I agreed completely with that .. I have tried to use ISC a few times with no success. I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a temporary solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5 successfully. I addition, I am using command line interface dsmadmc. I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2 with TSM 6.1 or not? Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of PAC Brion Arnaud Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still wondering who uses that ... thing. Cheers. Arnaud ** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: arnaud.br...@panalpina.com ** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: Hi All, Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register storage agents. BR, Martin -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00 Please consider the environment before printing this Email. This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
Arnaud, This is exactly the point ! Are you satisfied with the ISC /AC combination so far ? If yes, I'm very happy for you, but from my readings of this list, lots of users are not, and so am I. I really would like to hear why IBM decided to drop a CPU and storage inexpensive / ergonomic /fast /readable interface for the new one. I may be paranoid, but I believe they had a very good reason for such a change : selling more hardware ! The most recent version of the ISC really is a lot less heavy than previous versions. In that respect I truly believe that IBM listen to our complaints. It's even fast. I really urge you to experience it. I installed it on a VM on my laptop (isn't vmware fusion great? :)) in 5 minutes. As for the ergonomics, yes the workings of the new thing are different from the old thing. Have they become worse? Well, I don't think so. I like the CLI best of all, always have and alway will, but if I had to chose a GUI, well, the ISC is just as good as the old thing... it just provides an interface to everything added to TSM in the last 4 releases ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post
Moving to a new library (and ending up with old names)
Hi *SM-ers! We are using virtual libraries (EMC DL-series) in our TSM environment and we will migrate to a new model soon. I would like to do this without ending up with new names (stgpool, devclass, library names) in TSM. Storagepools can be renamed, so I rename the old pool and give the new one the previous name of the old one, so no problem here. The old library (library and drive definitions and paths) can be removed and recreated by using a different name, which allows me to use the old name for the new library. Again, no problem here. The problem is the deviceclass. You cannot rename a deviceclass, nor can you update a storagepool to use a different deviceclass(name). I cannot think of a way to move to a new library and keep the old deviceclass name. Am I overlooking something here or is this just not possible and do I have to accept a new deviceclass name after the migration? Thank you very much for you reply in advance!!! Kindest regards, Eric van Loon KLM Royal Dutch Airlines ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 **
Patches required for TSM 5.5 on Solaris 9
Hi all I know I asked this question before but I still have not found a clear answer. Is there a list of the required OS patches to run TSM 5.5 on Solaris 9? I have found all the other information I need, but not that bit. Regards Farren Minns This email (and any attachment) is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient please do not disclose, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please tell us by reply and delete all copies on your system. Although this email has been scanned for viruses you should rely on your own virus check as the sender accepts no liability for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. Please note that email traffic data may be monitored and that emails may be viewed for security reasons. John Wiley Sons Limited is a private limited company registered in England with registered number 641132. Registered office address: The Atrium, Southern Gate, Chichester, West Sussex, PO19 8SQ.
Files backed up only because of security changes
TSM backs up files even if the only change is security. I know there is a skipntpermissions option but besides that is there any plans to separate the files from the security within TSM and be able to merge them back later on if needed. We are attempting to standardize on AD groups as security as much as we can but there is always a need for user level security. We stay away from individual file secuirty, just letting the parent folder security suffice. Tim Brown Systems Specialist - Project Leader Central Hudson Gas Electric 284 South Ave Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 Email: tbr...@cenhud.com mailto:tbr...@cenhud.com Phone: 845-486-5643 Fax: 845-486-5921 Cell: 845-235-4255 This message contains confidential information and is only for the intended recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this note and deleting all copies and attachments. Thank you.
Re: Patches required for TSM 5.5 on Solaris 9
Hi I know only TSM client patch requirements: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=1019context=SSSQWCcontext=SSGSG7q1=solarisuid=swg21318605loc=en_UScs=utf-8lang=en Usually during server installation process you will see required patches. Efim 2009/6/5 Minns, Farren - Chichester fmi...@wiley.com Hi all I know I asked this question before but I still have not found a clear answer. Is there a list of the required OS patches to run TSM 5.5 on Solaris 9? I have found all the other information I need, but not that bit. Regards Farren Minns This email (and any attachment) is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient please do not disclose, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please tell us by reply and delete all copies on your system. Although this email has been scanned for viruses you should rely on your own virus check as the sender accepts no liability for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. Please note that email traffic data may be monitored and that emails may be viewed for security reasons. John Wiley Sons Limited is a private limited company registered in England with registered number 641132. Registered office address: The Atrium, Southern Gate, Chichester, West Sussex, PO19 8SQ. -- Efim
Re: ISC in french
Hi Robert, Just change you browser prefered language to french (temporily) and you'll have the ISC/AC in French. -- Best regards / Cordialement / مع تحياتي Erwann SIMON - Mail Original - De: Robert Burton robert.bur...@rbc.com À: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Envoyé: Mercredi 3 Juin 2009 16h12:09 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: [ADSM-L] ISC in french Is there anyone out there that can send me a screen shot of the isc in French?? Thanks Rob Burton | Technical Lead, Backup Recovery and Open Tape | Royal Bank of Canada | T. 416-348-3849 robert.bur...@rbc.com ___ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier électronique est confidentiel et protégé. L'expéditeur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) désigné(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier électronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser immédiatement, par retour de courrier électronique ou par un autre moyen.
Re: TSM for Oracle
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:59:06 -0400, David E Ehresman deehr...@louisville.edu said: Do can a TSM Admin verify that the rman clients are deleting their old TSM for Oracle backups? No. :) We have to go through a manual (in our case) delete obsoletes process every few weeks to get old stuff to go away. - Allen S. Rout
Re: HSM reconcilliation (Windows-Client)
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:11:20 +0200, Stephan Boldt stephan.boldt+ads...@gmail.com said: Hello everybody, [ ... I understand HSM, but the windows HSM product doesn't behave as I expect ...] Why is this so? What do I have to do to get rid of the deleted file in the archive? Search the logs; I've been ranting about the windows HSM product for years. I think it's a miserable product. There are folks on here who have used it and found it appropriate for their needs, but those needs are emphatically distinct from what we of TSM HSM experience think of as HSM applications. In a nutshell, the windows HSM product makes no use whatsoever of the TSM HSM concepts. It makes archives. Archives, like any other archives, stick around for RETVER days. When you write a file, the file gets backed up. When you migrate a file, the stub gets backed up. Note, you now have -no- active version of the full file. When you retrieve a file, the file gets backed up again. When you re-migrate a file, the file gets re-archived, and the stub gets backed up again. - Allen S. Rout
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
I do a lot of TSM implementations for new customers. While I usually use the command line myself, I have to say that for NEW users, the ISC (in the 5.5 or 6.1 version, not the first 2 releases) is actually much better than the old web GUI when it comes to creating libraries, drives, and paths, and much MUCH better in the way it displays and supports management classes (which was irrationaly displayed by the old web GUI, IMHO). It is regrettable that Tivoli tried to force the ISC on people at 5.3, before it was fully cooked, thereby resulting (fairly and PREDICTABLY) in many customers being angry about it and dead set against using it. I was hoping that Tivoli would take that as an object lesson about releasing software too soon. My customers who have never used any interface other than the ISC, aren't really bothered by it. They seem, over time, to naturally migrate to the command line for stuff that needs only a couple of keystrokes (like q proc), and use the ISC for more complicated tasks like creating domains/management classes, schedules, etc. For those who haven't tried it, I recommend upgrading to the current 6.1 ISC to manage your 5.5 servers. The 6.1 ISC has finally fixed the jumpiness problem, one of my biggest complaints, and also the requirement to know the domain a client lives in before displaying it. If you are still having problems with performance/slowness in the ISC, you shouldn't be. I have customers running it on hand-me-down Windows servers of modest capabilities, and getting very spiffy response. Have no customers with problems running the ISC on the same Windows 2003 or AIX servers as the TSM server itself. If you still have performance issues try using a different browser version on a different machine to access it and see if you get different results. I have seen performance problems with the ISC that turned out to actually be the server or java version on the machine running the browser, not the machine running the ISC. You can get very different results, depending on the machine where you are running the browser. Wanda (who still thinks java is evil) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl wrote: Arnaud, This is exactly the point ! Are you satisfied with the ISC /AC combination so far ? If yes, I'm very happy for you, but from my readings of this list, lots of users are not, and so am I. I really would like to hear why IBM decided to drop a CPU and storage inexpensive / ergonomic /fast /readable interface for the new one. I may be paranoid, but I believe they had a very good reason for such a change : selling more hardware ! The most recent version of the ISC really is a lot less heavy than previous versions. In that respect I truly believe that IBM listen to our complaints. It's even fast. I really urge you to experience it. I installed it on a VM on my laptop (isn't vmware fusion great? :)) in 5 minutes. As for the ergonomics, yes the workings of the new thing are different from the old thing. Have they become worse? Well, I don't think so. I like the CLI best of all, always have and alway will, but if I had to chose a GUI, well, the ISC is just as good as the old thing... it just provides an interface to everything added to TSM in the last 4 releases ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
I was told by an IBM insider that ISC was written by someone who's daddy at IBM didn't have anything better for him to do. Buddy Howeth Computer Operations Specialist Information Systems Pacific Coast Producers Corporate Offices 631 N. Cluff Ave Lodi, CA 95240-0756 (209) 367-8800 - Main# (209) 367-6288 - Computer Room (209) 366-6240 - Alpha Pager Allen S. Rout a...@ufl.edu Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 06/05/2009 07:08 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:12:03 -0700, Clark, Robert A robert.cl...@providence.org said: It seems that many of us have a parental relationship with the product. In any other case, we would likely have severed the connection some time ago. Code quality wandering all over, price going up, audits? You think you're a domestic US car maker? The marketing nonsense is certainly ridiculous, but I don't think I've seen the code quality particularly go down. I'm another one of the 2.1 veterans, and the stability and lack of errors I see in TSM is an important point in its favor. Where we see the flighty, erratic behavior is in the layers folks are trying to paint on top of the product. The much-maligned ISC, for example. Websphere is a joke, so that makes AC on ISC on WS a triple-decker joke, foisted on us by some Vice President in Tivoli who has a Vision of Unified Management. - Allen S. Rout _ Scanned by IBM Email Security Management Services powered by MessageLabs. For more information please visit http://www.ers.ibm.com _
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:12:03 -0700, Clark, Robert A robert.cl...@providence.org said: It seems that many of us have a parental relationship with the product. In any other case, we would likely have severed the connection some time ago. Code quality wandering all over, price going up, audits? You think you're a domestic US car maker? The marketing nonsense is certainly ridiculous, but I don't think I've seen the code quality particularly go down. I'm another one of the 2.1 veterans, and the stability and lack of errors I see in TSM is an important point in its favor. Where we see the flighty, erratic behavior is in the layers folks are trying to paint on top of the product. The much-maligned ISC, for example. Websphere is a joke, so that makes AC on ISC on WS a triple-decker joke, foisted on us by some Vice President in Tivoli who has a Vision of Unified Management. - Allen S. Rout
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
We too tried the ISC, 3-times. Everyone was frustrated/confused with it. Gave up and purchased TSMManager. We bought it 2-3 years ago and love it. My operations staff could not fully manage TSM without it. From: Grigori Solonovitch g.solonovi...@bkme.com To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: 06/04/2009 05:01 AM Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU I agreed completely with that .. I have tried to use ISC a few times with no success. I was using TSM WEB Interface 5.2, which was announced by IBM as a temporary solution for TSM 5.3, with TSM 5.4 and TSM 5.5 successfully. I addition, I am using command line interface dsmadmc. I wonder, is there any possibility to install TSM WEB Interface 5.2 with TSM 6.1 or not? Grigori G. Solonovitch Senior Technical Architect Information Technology Bank of Kuwait and Middle East http://www.bkme.com Phone: (+965) 2231-2274 Mobile: (+965) 99798073 E-Mail: g.solonovi...@bkme.com Please consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of PAC Brion Arnaud Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:49 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. Surely not, just a waste of time, disk space and energy. I'm still wondering who uses that ... thing. Cheers. Arnaud ** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: arnaud.br...@panalpina.com ** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2009 10:39 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Well .. I'm definetly fine with command line. Just wondering if this ISC is as just powerful as previous TSM Web Admin. BR, Martin -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: 04 Juni 2009 15:20 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM Administration Guide Using ISC On 4 jun 2009, at 09:10, Sabar Martin Hasiholan Panggabean wrote: Hi All, Does IBM has documentation on administering TSM using Integrated Solution Console ? Never thought before until I can't find how to add Storage Agent. Usually I'm using previous TSM Web Administration. Wasn't the only use of the ISC to provide us with a command-line when all other options fail? I wouldn't be surprised if you need to use the cli to register storage agents. BR, Martin -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: 06/03/09 05:53:00 Please consider the environment before printing this Email. This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, or if you are not the named recipient(s), please delete this email after notifying the sender immediately. BKME cannot guarantee the integrity of this communication and accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses, any other defects, interception or unauthorized modification. The information, views, opinions and comments of this message are those of the individual and not necessarily endorsed by BKME.
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
And for all you old timers on the list, there was the same discussion when IBM did away with the original administration Windows application in favor of the Web admin interface. Everybody hated it and wanted the Winders app back. Now people hate the new admin facility and want to Web admin back...that they hated just a few short years ago to start with. I agree with Remco and do believe IBM listened. The 6.1 ISC/AC is a lot faster and better organized. Most things are now wizards, allows you to monitor/administer multiple TSM servers from the same central signon...and if you setup the ADMIN_CENTER userid when you register the server instance you get monitoring and a simple dashboard. Which (not to start a new flame!) personally is light years better than this new so called TSM Monitor and Reporting package. I have already upgraded out ISC/AC to the new version even though I have not installed or upgraded to TSM 6.1 servers. Then we come down to the fact that after 11-years working with *SM, I'm just a CLI guy myself. But for people that don't know all the commands, the ISC is a good place for them. And again...my opinion. Bill Boyer Living on Earth is expensive, but it does include a free trip around the sun. -Unknown- -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:54 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC Arnaud, This is exactly the point ! Are you satisfied with the ISC /AC combination so far ? If yes, I'm very happy for you, but from my readings of this list, lots of users are not, and so am I. I really would like to hear why IBM decided to drop a CPU and storage inexpensive / ergonomic /fast /readable interface for the new one. I may be paranoid, but I believe they had a very good reason for such a change : selling more hardware ! The most recent version of the ISC really is a lot less heavy than previous versions. In that respect I truly believe that IBM listen to our complaints. It's even fast. I really urge you to experience it. I installed it on a VM on my laptop (isn't vmware fusion great? :)) in 5 minutes. As for the ergonomics, yes the workings of the new thing are different from the old thing. Have they become worse? Well, I don't think so. I like the CLI best of all, always have and alway will, but if I had to chose a GUI, well, the ISC is just as good as the old thing... it just provides an interface to everything added to TSM in the last 4 releases ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind regards, Remco Post
Re: TSM Administration Guide Using ISC
I agree with Remco and do believe IBM listened. The 6.1 ISC/AC is a lot faster and better organized. We haven't tried ISC/AC since v5.4 where we gave up on it. But, I did like some of the things it did. Even thought we are still on v5.4 (upgrading to v5.5 later this year), we are going to try out v6.1 ISC/AC since it supports v5.4 and v5.5 TSM servers. (probably try reporting also) I'd be interested if _anyone_ is using ISC as intended - a integrated console across Tivoli products, where AC (tsm) is just one app? Rick - The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message.
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
May I infer then that you have no nodes running recent versions of windows server? I realize that it take two to tango, and MS has become prodigious at shitting the bed with broken WMI writers, SNP bugs, setting the default VSS provider to whatever a third party product installed last and providing no way to change it, etc. But I have Windows admins that want to mass defect back to the 5.3 client as they have the abiding perception that anything later is crap. They also complain bitterly of an ASR/BMR restore process that Machiavelli, Kafka, or Stanslaw Lem would be proud of, and install BESR. Filesx/FastBack? In fairness to Tivoli, things have been getting better lately. The brand new algorithm in the 5.5.2.0 client that doesn't take 5 hours to figure out which SYSTEMSTATE objects to expire is a nice touch. I'm a fan of TSM, and would fight to keep something like Avamar out. But there are days when I wouldn't fight very hard. DB2, Notes, and TSM can be administered on ISC. What a trifecta. [RC] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Allen S. Rout Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 7:09 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM 6.1 Installation Problems On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:12:03 -0700, Clark, Robert A robert.cl...@providence.org said: It seems that many of us have a parental relationship with the product. In any other case, we would likely have severed the connection some time ago. Code quality wandering all over, price going up, audits? You think you're a domestic US car maker? The marketing nonsense is certainly ridiculous, but I don't think I've seen the code quality particularly go down. I'm another one of the 2.1 veterans, and the stability and lack of errors I see in TSM is an important point in its favor. Where we see the flighty, erratic behavior is in the layers folks are trying to paint on top of the product. The much-maligned ISC, for example. Websphere is a joke, so that makes AC on ISC on WS a triple-decker joke, foisted on us by some Vice President in Tivoli who has a Vision of Unified Management. - Allen S. Rout DISCLAIMER: This message is intended for the sole use of the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete this message.
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:20:24 -0700, Clark, Robert A robert.cl...@providence.org said: May I infer then that you have no nodes running recent versions of windows server? You may. My TSM servers run on AIX, all the way. I'll include only by reference my long-term antipathy towards MS products. The price advantage is gradually making me (whiningly) approach running on linux. But there'll be a -lot- of whining on the way. :) I realize that it take two to tango, and MS has become prodigious at shitting the bed with broken WMI writers, SNP bugs, setting the default VSS provider to whatever a third party product installed last and providing no way to change it, etc. But I have Windows admins that want to mass defect back to the 5.3 client as they have the abiding perception that anything later is crap. Hmm. You're talking clients, here. I've got loads of windows _clients_, (of course). They also complain bitterly of an ASR/BMR restore process that Machiavelli, Kafka, or Stanslaw Lem would be proud of, and install BESR. Filesx/FastBack? Is that TSM's fault? My sense (as an observer) is that ASR is a huge delicate pile of frozen offal. BMR is hard under the best of circumstances, and MS has no motiviation to make life easy for IBM. When folks want BMR, I tell them to go find a product that does BMR. Back up their ghost server or something. - Allen S. Rout
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
Sorry for the broken quoting. May I infer then that you have no nodes running recent versions of windows server? You may. My TSM servers run on AIX, all the way. I'll include only by reference my long-term antipathy towards MS products. The price advantage is gradually making me (whiningly) approach running on linux. But there'll be a -lot- of whining on the way. :) Yeah, by nodes I meant... well... nodes. As in query node. And by windows server I meant as in Windows Server 2003 SE, or Windows Server 7 (Vista 2). TSM server 6.1 supports Windows server on x32 Intel, Linux on x32 not so much? I just wish the x345 I picked up on CL was 64bit. I realize that it take two to tango, and MS has become prodigious at shitting the bed with broken WMI writers, SNP bugs, setting the default VSS provider to whatever a third party product installed last and providing no way to change it, etc. But I have Windows admins that want to mass defect back to the 5.3 client as they have the abiding perception that anything later is crap. Hmm. You're talking clients, here. I've got loads of windows _clients_, (of course). Hard to backup without working clients. Funny that. They also complain bitterly of an ASR/BMR restore process that Machiavelli, Kafka, or Stanslaw Lem would be proud of, and install BESR. Filesx/FastBack? Is that TSM's fault? My sense (as an observer) is that ASR is a huge delicate pile of frozen offal. BMR is hard under the best of circumstances, and MS has no motiviation to make life easy for IBM. As Yoda said, Do, or do not. There is no 'try'.. I'll stop whinging on. When folks want BMR, I tell them to go find a product that does BMR. Back up their ghost server or something. - Allen S. Rout DISCLAIMER: This message is intended for the sole use of the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete this message.
Re: TSM 6.1 Installation Problems
On 5 jun 2009, at 23:32, Clark, Robert A wrote: TSM server 6.1 supports Windows server on x32 Intel, Linux on x32 not so much? I just wish the x345 I picked up on CL was 64bit. For some reason, very early in the project support for 32 bit linux has been dropped. I know there was at one time a 32bit linux build, why IBM decided to drop support for 32bit linux beats me. As for TSM on Linux, I've been running it in my home lab since version 5.5.0.0 without any problems. 5.5.0.0 only went down for hardware (vmware) maintenance. I'm ready to go to 6.1 as soon as I'm confident that 6.1 has stabilized (and the virtual volume server has been upgraded to 6.1). I'd think that would be at about 6.1.3 as things are now. To me, I'd choose Linux over Windows any time. It's a pity that Intel still sells 'server' CPU's that can't run 64bit code -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622
6.1 ordering issues
I am license for TSM server on z/OS. Since there is no 6.1 server available, I can't see how to order just the 6.1 client piece on shopzseries and not get charge again.
Re: 6.1 ordering issues
Normally for TSM clients you license to run the client but not a specific version. So one would not thing that you would be charged again. In the past one was able to connect a z/os client to a non-z/os server. The more interesting question is there a 6.1 z/os client. If not will there be one. len -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Gee, Norman Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 7:12 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] 6.1 ordering issues I am license for TSM server on z/OS. Since there is no 6.1 server available, I can't see how to order just the 6.1 client piece on shopzseries and not get charge again.
