Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Jason Wilson
Buy a pixel and all that bloatware will disappear. On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 8:38 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Could Samsung please get rid of Bixby? Like Microsoft’s Clippy but less > cute and more annoying. I would pay extra to NOT have Bixby. Doesn’t help > there’s a dedicated button that’s easy

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Could Samsung please get rid of Bixby? Like Microsoft’s Clippy but less cute and more annoying. I would pay extra to NOT have Bixby. Doesn’t help there’s a dedicated button that’s easy to accidentally press and summon Bixby, kind of like Beetlejuice. From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Darin Steffl
Kurt, We try to sign as short as possible but normally it's 3 years. But if we need more bandwidth, we are always working with sales guys to upgrade at cheaper per megabit prices. So basically going from 1 gig to 10 gig for a small price increase. Or if there's 2 years left, sometimes we are

Re: [AFMUG] powercode and mikrotik BMUs

2019-12-14 Thread Steve Jones
When I was a very young man, my uncle's power went out. This, of course caused his sump pump to fail. As I was helping him lug out his destroyed furniture and carpet from his beautiful finished basement, he would just repeat, "if you have a guy down, you might as well kick him" ...ha. I understand

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Bill Prince
Old stories and falsehoods. If you get pure Android (lots of choices; just none of them are "Samsung"). Updates are regular and seamless, backup/restore is also easy; almost transparent. Pure Android is the same everywhere.

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Matt Hoppes
2 x macs 2 x iphone 2 x iPads. Android is too segmented. An app works on one device but not another. One vendor provides software updates, another decides they are going to stop updating. Samsung and many others throw so much crap on Android it’s not even like Android. Backup and restore

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Bill Prince
Our house is 100% Android. I have a Chromebook, which runs android apps in a VM, and it makes a pretty decent tablet when I convert it to tablet mode. I do have a 9-year-old ipod, but I don't think that counts; don't really use it anyway. Most of my friends have

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Jason Wilson
Between the wife and I we have 7 devices. Of which we each have an android and iOS phone. She has an android tablet, I have an iPad and an Amazon Fire tablet. Based on what I see my clients have iOS is well in the lead. Those that do have android have Samsung’s. Tablets are 90% iOS. On Sat, Dec

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Chuck Macenski
Ditto On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 5:59 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > That's surprising, I wouldn't have guessed that IOS was more popular than > Android in the US. I would've guessed it was closer to 60/40 the other way. > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 3:43 PM Bill Prince wrote: > >> OK. I had the worldwide

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Mathew Howard
That's surprising, I wouldn't have guessed that IOS was more popular than Android in the US. I would've guessed it was closer to 60/40 the other way. On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 3:43 PM Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I had the worldwide ratio pretty close, but I had no clue about the > US. In the US it's

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Robert Andrews
The Apple model of sales, which worked really well until Microsoft came along... People will pay more as long as they don't see an alternative, then will jump in a second. On 12/14/2019 12:48 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: We're small but we had a small price increase October of 2018 and added

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Wow, who woulda thunk. From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 3:43 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics OK. I had the worldwide ratio pretty close, but I had no clue about the US. In the US it's pretty much 60:40 in favor

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Darin, How are you re-negotiating fiber contracts every year? Are you only on 12 month contracts? Who are you fiber providers? On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 4:22 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > We call our fee "carrier cost recovery charge" on the bill. > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 4:20 PM Darin Steffl >

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Bill Prince
OK. I had the worldwide ratio pretty close, but I had no clue about the US. In the US it's pretty much 60:40 in favor of IOS. In the rest of the world it's all over the map. India is 90:10 in favor of Android, while Canada looks close to 50:50. Details here:  

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Darin Steffl
We call our fee "carrier cost recovery charge" on the bill. On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 4:20 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > Ken, > > We do charge the same fee CenturyLink does. That was our price increase in > October 2018. The different between us and CL is that the fee actually > helps to pay for our

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Darin Steffl
Ken, We do charge the same fee CenturyLink does. That was our price increase in October 2018. The different between us and CL is that the fee actually helps to pay for our network improvements like preseem and Calix. It leads to a better experience for customers. We also didn't hide it in small

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Steve Jones
You may be looking at a symptom as a metric. You may happen to be poking around more often on a customer network because Apple centric customers consume more support time. The gear is just more problematic. And since they openly do things like updates that kill batteries, aplle devices are rotated

Re: [AFMUG] Apple vs Android demographics

2019-12-14 Thread Bill Prince
Worldwide, Android has an 80% share, give or take.  That makes it 4:1 in favor of Android. The US is different, and I'm pretty sure Android is still more popular, but not as much. I have not seen, or maybe I don't remember what the ratio is. Most of my friends

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
I need to take your email and make a poster out of it, and read it daily. Maybe put the last paragraph on a mug. Don’t you wish you could do like Centurylink and charge an “Internet Cost Recovery Fee” because people use more data?

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Darin Steffl
We're small but we had a small price increase October of 2018 and added another $7,000 per month in revenue. We lost 2 customers from it. So we lost $140 in revenue to gain $7,000 more. It was a no brainer. We probably had 5% of customers want clarification of the increase above and beyond what

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread chuck
I mean which plans are your more popular. I would guess the plan one notch up from the bottom? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 12:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference Chuck, We qualify each address to find

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Darin Steffl
Chuck, We qualify each address to find out which speeds we put them on the best plan and price we can if they're in an area with horns. But right now, 80% of our new customer installs are rural areas with the higher pricing and lower speed plans I linked to. We're no longer building any new sites

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread chuck
Which is more popular? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 12:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference Rural pricing: http://www.mnwifi.com/service-plans/internet-service/fup City pricing where we have horns:

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Darin Steffl
Rural pricing: http://www.mnwifi.com/service-plans/internet-service/fup City pricing where we have horns: http://www.mnwifi.com/service-plans/internet-service/5g-plans/ On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 2:17 PM wrote: > Mind sharing your plan prices? > > *From:* Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Saturday,

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Darin Steffl
We used to charge $50 upfront and $10 per month for Calix. Now we just increased our plan prices and give the Calix away for free. We have 99% take rate when it's free. On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 12:30 PM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Sean, > > Do you charge the customer for any up-front hardware costs

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Sean, Do you charge the customer for any up-front hardware costs when you install Calix or are you only getting ROI from the $12/monthly ?? On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 3:38 AM Sean Heskett wrote: > We install a Calix as a “trial” so we have visibility into their network > and voila all their Wi-Fi

Re: [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

2019-12-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Thank you for the information...please send me the prescription required... On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 12:03 PM Steve Jones wrote: > as a prior medical practitioner, i have to inform you that 4 is not enough > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Yesterday was 120 ft. To

Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

2019-12-14 Thread Sean Heskett
We install a Calix as a “trial” so we have visibility into their network and voila all their Wi-Fi problems go away. After the free month trial it becomes a paid service and for $12/mo we make sure their Wi-Fi keeps working. Win-win for us and them ;-) -Sean On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:33 AM