Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Yeah, I am pretty certain that if I was staying there and someone said I had to buy wifi, I would tell them to pound sand. And if they then tried to kick me out, I would drop a dime to the local constable, and after that to my retained lawyer, he loves making money on that kind of monkey

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

What's the issue...?  "Buy WiFi"   most truckers aren't looking for more ways to spend $$...  That's why they have complete setups on the back of their tractors... On 6/11/20 6:43 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: I don’t get your question. They can come in. Pay for a space. Stay the night and buy

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

It may be prohibited, but I would seriously doubt if it was illegal by the local authority.  They do have laws prohibiting semi's from parking on residential streets due to street width restrictions and areas that are noise sensitive due to them running their generators all night. On 6/11/20

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Q: Does the rule apply to commercial property or only residential property? A: Nothing in the rule excludes antennas installed on commercial property. The rule applies to property used for commercial purposes in the same way it applies to residential property. Source:

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

The issue is many nice tractors with the nice large sleepers have a mobile satellite under a radome on the back side of the sleeper. You said they cannot use it. I asked if you are going to bang on their door and ask them if they were watching TV. -Original Message- From: Matt

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

I’m still confused. What’s the issue? Tractor paying for night. In spot. Paying for WiFi. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > I don’t get your question. > > They can come in. Pay for a space. Stay the night and buy WiFi. > > What is the issue? > >> On Jun 11, 2020,

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

I don’t get your question. They can come in. Pay for a space. Stay the night and buy WiFi. What is the issue? > On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > I guess I should have said tractor. > -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 >

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

I guess I should have said tractor. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber On 6/11/20 6:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Who said anything about the middle of the road? I think he's

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

On 6/11/20 6:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Who said anything about the middle of the road? I think he's thinking they always come with a trailer and therefore wouldn't fit in a space. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Who said anything about the middle of the road? I said: "So if a semi wants to park there and they have a nice mobile sat under the radome, you going to knock on their sleeper and ask if they are watching TV?" So, are you? -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, June

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

I’m sure they could stay. But not in the middle of the road. They would need to be in an assigned space. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 8:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Interesting. You do not want truckers as customers. They just want a > shower and to use the laundry and pool if it is

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Interesting. You do not want truckers as customers. They just want a shower and to use the laundry and pool if it is available, and their truck will not get messed with in an RV park. But it is illegal to be a customer? -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, June 11,

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

I see. Well that’s illegal in the parks we manage and security would be over in a flash. I’m aware of continental. Which is interesting since OTARD doesn’t apply to commercial. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Deadheading bobtail. Happens all the time. > > Sent

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Deadheading bobtail. Happens all the time. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > Again. Why would a semi be parking in the middle of the park? > > Sure. It can be in a designated space. No one parks in the roadway to sleep. > >> On Jun 11, 2020, at

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Interesting question about OTARD applicability. If I rent an apartment, the landlord cannot stop me from putting a satellite dish on my exclusive space, I just can't put it on a common area. But I'm going to assume I can't put a satellite dish on the balcony of a hotel room. Not sure what is

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Again. Why would a semi be parking in the middle of the park? Sure. It can be in a designated space. No one parks in the roadway to sleep. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 7:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > I guess you have not been in the sleeper of a nice large semi lately. > > -Original

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

I guess you have not been in the sleeper of a nice large semi lately. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Why would a semi be parking in the middle of an RV park? On Jun

Re: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors

Yes, although I think my memory malfunctioned and the company I actually bought from was Accu-Tech. So I'm not sure why I thought of Alliance. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Why would a semi be parking in the middle of an RV park? > On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I'm not an RV'er, but I thought it was somewhat common to have a portable or > roof mounted sat TV dish that even automatically aims itself. Like this: >

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

I'm not an RV'er, but I thought it was somewhat common to have a portable or roof mounted sat TV dish that even automatically aims itself. Like this: https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-PL7000R-Playmaker-Portable-Satellite/dp/B074CPRJSD Supposedly you can add a mobile dish to your home subscription

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

We did a fiber fed unifi system in a 150 site RV campground and it has worked out quite well. Active Ethernet with BiDi optics to a Ubnt Fiber POE and Unifi AP mounted on a 4x4 post between sites or on a building. Hid a 24V 1A POE inside the nearest power pedestal and a short buried cat5 to feed

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

So if a semi wants to park there and they have a nice mobile sat under the radome, you going to knock on their sleeper and ask if they are watching TV? -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:13 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

OTARD does not apply to someone else’s property. Normally the satellite dishes are not mounted on your RV they are mounted on the land belonging to the camp owner. And 0TARD does not apply to commercial environments which a campground is. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors

This alliance? https://alliancecorporation.ca/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:05:55 PM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors

Either Anixter or WESCO has a distribution center in or near Carol Stream. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 11,

Re: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors

I think I have bought from each of them once, several years ago. I think I bought some Eltek gear from KGP. They were both pretty easy to work with so I think you could just call and ask for a sales rep. I don't have an extensive track record or contacts with either of them. Actually I think

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

How can you enforce no satellite dishes. Sounds like a clear violation of FCC OTARD... You couldn't even tell if we were using our satellite dish it's fully enclosed and not visible. On 06/11/2020 02:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Why are you doing fiber? We have a 300 unit RV park where

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Ive used mikrotik RB922UAGS-5HPacD with sfp and 2.4g R11e-2HPnD inside a metal enclosure and external antennas. On 6/11/2020 4:03 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and that's part of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal.  I just thought it

Re: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors

Is Anixter still around? Maybe what I'm thinking is I used to go to an Anixter brick and mortar store with a counter where you could buy stuff or pick up will call orders and they closed that particular location. I can still do that at Graybar. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Why are you doing fiber? We have a 300 unit RV park where everyone is required to stream over the Internet, no satellite dishes are allowed. It works absolutely fine and everything is back hauled wirelessly to the sectors that cover several RV campers. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and that's part of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal.  I just thought it would be nice to have the option to plug in a cable. I did find a comms enclosure that bolts onto the back side of the RV power ped.

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

As an "RVer" I will say that we are all set up for WiFi connections and doing a hardwire would be something that we _never_ plan for. Don't even carry and ethernet cable... On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site? I'm

[AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site? I'm imagining I'd end with a WiFi enabled ONT in a box, on a post next to their power and water hookups.  I'd want the campers to be able to plug Ethernet in at the box if they have the wherewithal to do so.  And if they don't then

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

I have similar gripes with AWS. If you've got an application which was written for AWS and takes advantage of their infrastructure in the right way it isn't that bad. For instance, I'm seriously looking at using their serverless/IoT infrastructure for something I'm working on here, and the

Re: [AFMUG] Vendors for "long haul" fiber

How far are you trying to go, and what speeds are you looking to carry? Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: AF On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, June 09,

Re: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors

Anixter makes sense. If Graybar is doing it, Anixter probably is too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 11,

Re: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors

Have you worked with Alliance or KGP? If so, could you make an introduction? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June

Re: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors

Maybe Alliance, KGP? -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors I'm looking for any OSP distributors that haven't made my list: Millennium Power & Tel Innerduct.com

Re: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors

Anixter -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 1:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OSP Distributors I'm looking for any OSP distributors that haven't made my list: Millennium Power & Tel Innerduct.com Codale Comstar Graybar

[AFMUG] OSP Distributors

I'm looking for any OSP distributors that haven't made my list: Millennium Power & Tel Innerduct.com Codale Comstar Graybar TSR Supply - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19

You forgot that they are day traders and you are costing them millions. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:08 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19 The Bad Place would probably be whiny customers

Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19

The Bad Place would probably be whiny customers calling 7 days a week because they cut the cable with a hedge trimmer or parked an RV in front of the dish or their trees grew or their basement flooded and shorted out the POE, but you need to come right now and fix it not tomorrow because

Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19

But now we know the good place is the bad place... On 06/11/2020 07:41 AM, Bill Prince wrote: I kinda went to the good place. bp On 6/10/2020 2:23 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Do I get to go hot tubbing with Jameela Jamil? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 2:05 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

The cloud sucks unless you're the one selling it. However, where the cloud is useful is if you need something out of band. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steven Kenney" To:

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

We tried to toss TowerCoveage.com to AWS. Their quote was around 45k a month! We are the exact opposite of what they want, high CPU and high IOPs. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified

Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19

Jokes on them, I always wear a mask. On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 10:07 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I think Covid-19 has us all in the Medium Place. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 9:41 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19

I think Covid-19 has us all in the Medium Place. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 9:41 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19 I kinda went to the good place. bp On 6/10/2020 2:23 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19

I kinda went to the good place. bp On 6/10/2020 2:23 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Do I get to go hot tubbing with Jameela Jamil? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 2:05 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19 Just reboot.

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

Generally, starting from a better-educated position is wise. What are the reasons for what we have now? Just that no one asked? What are the reasons it should stay the same? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

All I meant was that 112 MHz bandwidth is an “ETSI” configuration. There’s nothing in Part 101 that allows bandwidths greater than 80 MHz, so that particular configuration is not allowed in the US. Other ETSI configurations, 28 MHz or 56 MHz bandwidth are legal here and can be licensed.

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

Right, I didn't think it was a rule against anything, just rules that state what is allowed and it's not on the list. The simple reason for wanting the rule change is that I need to move more bits at a lower cost and complexity. Let me use a single carrier across an 80+40 channel. That same

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

I suspect you have this backward. It's not so much a rule against using an ETSI configuration, as the lack of that configuration in the FCC rules. It would have to be added to Title 47, and manufacturers would have to (self) certify their equipment to the new rule. What convincing arguments

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

Nobody make a product anymore and sells it. Its all subscription based. Its royally pissing me off too. I mean even in app games if you wanna remove ads you could just buy the game. NOW you need to pay $10 to remove ads for A MONTH or a period of time. Anyhoo.. as far as CHR - I've messed

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

Recommendations for changing that rule? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 6:49:30 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle

Daniel is correct, and the notion that one could coordinate and license an 80 MHz channel pair with a 40 MHz pair separated by 60 MHz to somehow block out a 120 MHz chunk to then operate a 112 MHz bandwidth ETSI configuration is patently false. Any vendor (integrator, radio OEM or coordinator)