Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

2020-07-22 Thread Steve Jones
I've had old men start reading the label on the poe to me and it takes a bit to understand what they're telling me cause I cant even see most of it. Amazing to me. Also Right next to the router: 3 rooms over through a refrigerator behind a tv. says your internet is too slow: Patel, I mean Roy f

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
That makes sense. I remember when I worked for electronics manufacturers all rework stations having these red cans full of alcohol with a little bristle brush for cleaning flux, like this: https://www.zoro.com/justrite-plunger-can-1-qt-galvanized-steel-red-10108/i/G1109105/ Seems like on

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
We generally run everything through a no-clean process. So most of the products we make never see a cleaning process. Occasionally we'll have to fix a soldering defect, i.e. a bridge or insufficient solder. This sometimes means we have to use additional flux, and unfortunately, sometimes you ha

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
I thought the industry had gone to water soluble flux and then to no clean flux. Unless you’re talking about maybe some alcohol after a manual repair. From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Yes it is. I'm also a bit concerned with a bit of the material compatibility with the latest patch they've used as they seem to be doing some sort of metal depositing which is rather easy to 'erase' with a few of the solvents one normally encounters in an electronics assembly line. It really doe

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Chuck McCown
If you can read signal strength, that is all you need. Spray it and watch for a change. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > wrote: > >  > I'll have to do some experiments here to see if I'm comfortable with doing > this. I was hopeful that

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Chuck McCown
Is the metal of the patch exposed. Even if it is exposed, a thin layer will not lower the frequency that much. If it was .100” thick then you may see a significant change, Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > wrote: > >  > Actually it is a

Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

2020-07-22 Thread Adam Moffett
Modem = a box with blinky lights. Router = a box with blinky lights. Hub = a box with blinky lights. Switch = a box with blink lights. You don't know what it is until they read the words on it and tell you it's the Linksy. On 7/22/2020 6:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I think we need one.  For

Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

2020-07-22 Thread Adam Moffett
At my prior employer, tech support encouraged the "poe = modem" terminology.  They just found it easier that way.  Overhearing it made me cringe internally though. On 7/22/2020 6:57 PM, Nate Burke wrote: Oh, other big one POE = modem On 7/22/2020 5:52 PM, Nate Burke wrote: There is nothing i

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Actually it is a bare ceramic patch antenna. Look at the top, you're seeing the side view. When I got the response last time from the vendor they said they don't recommend it, and stated several reasons including if I remember correctly something about changing the dielectric constant in some od

Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

2020-07-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
We installed Internet at a very small house the other day, as usual the Cat5 cable from the outside went through the basement, and the girlfriend had said to put the POE and router by the TV, and to run the Cat5 cable up through a hole in the adjacent closet and then through the baseboard, to avoid

Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

2020-07-22 Thread chuck
System is down (reporting via email or FB but Netflix is buffering) From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:57 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary Oh, other big one POE = modem On 7/22/2020 5:52 PM, Nate Burke wrote: There i

Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

2020-07-22 Thread Nate Burke
Oh, other big one POE = modem On 7/22/2020 5:52 PM, Nate Burke wrote: There is nothing in the way = at lest 1 tree limb, possibly a motorhome. I can see the tower from the ground = Through a forest with 75' of height. On 7/22/2020 5:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I think we need one. For example

Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

2020-07-22 Thread Nate Burke
There is nothing in the way = at lest 1 tree limb, possibly a motorhome. I can see the tower from the ground = Through a forest with 75' of height. On 7/22/2020 5:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I think we need one. For example, Satellite = antenna (e.g. you put a satellite on my roof) Cable = TV (

[AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

2020-07-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
I think we need one. For example, Satellite = antenna (e.g. you put a satellite on my roof) Cable = TV (e.g. where do I plug in the cable) WiFi = Internet Booster = range extender Linsky = router (also Link System) Slow as dialup = meaningless, nobody remembers dialup -- AF mailing list

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro not onboarding some AP's

2020-07-22 Thread Steve Jones
once we started onboarding in house and pushing configs from cnmaestro all the weird connectivity issues went away. Cnmaestro settings were always a pain in devices through firmwares. onboarding via serial is flawless. I found in the pas, the ones that would stop communicating if you go in, put the

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread dave
Amen! I am not sure if I would shoot our techs.. Its hard to find those guys in my area. On 7/22/20 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Isn't it refreshing when you get to do a nice, easy Cat5e riser cable? On 7/22/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I can do a beautiful job of putting a shielded en

Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

2020-07-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
It's amazing the stupid crap people will believe these days. You assume they are kidding around but they actually believe it. It's like when Dilbert convinced the gullible marketing guy that he reprogrammed his DNA over the LAN. https://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=reprogrammed+dna -Ori

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread chuck
Wow, details? I worry about that every time I get light headed. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:50 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT bored I must have missed Jaime's problem. I had a heart attack last week. - Mike Hammett Intelligen

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread Jaime Solorza
What? Hope you are kidding... On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 12:51 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > I must have missed Jaime's problem. > > I had a heart attack last week. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >

Re: [AFMUG] Ansible

2020-07-22 Thread Mike Hammett
My friend Greg does. Then again, he started working for RedHat doing Ansible stuff a few months ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users G

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread Mike Hammett
I must have missed Jaime's problem. I had a heart attack last week. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:00:53 AM

Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

2020-07-22 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/22/20 10:16, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But how will it be administered... 5G towers -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread Robert Andrews
Kinda like Coronavirus On 07/22/2020 09:41 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Well, the scissors lift hand rail is more like 3-4’ tall. The jumping thing is a delayed reaction. It takes a day or two before it puts me on the floor. If it was an immediate pain I might learn faster. *From:* Josh L

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread chuck
You can be Elvis. I am nowhere as cool as you are. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:27 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT bored I am afraid to ask whom is whom... On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 10:13 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: You and Jaime can be room

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread chuck
Hey, Medicare!!! Congrats on passing that finish line. I am not there yet. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:26 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT bored Wow . I understand youI got my ass chewed out by daughter for logging into laptop to

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread chuck
Hopefully there is no fatwa. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:13 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT bored You and Jaime can be roommates. Like Elvis and Salmon Rushdie. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22,

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread chuck
Well, the scissors lift hand rail is more like 3-4’ tall. The jumping thing is a delayed reaction. It takes a day or two before it puts me on the floor. If it was an immediate pain I might learn faster. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Use

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread Jaime Solorza
Wow . I understand youI got my ass chewed out by daughter for logging into laptop to monitor Cozy Ewon as techs realigned cellular antennathe hardest part is the inactivityI stay busy...love to be busy ...plus we walk at night and hike on weekends.. I feel your back pain the day aft

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Adam Moffett
Isn't it refreshing when you get to do a nice, easy Cat5e riser cable? On 7/22/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I can do a beautiful job of putting a shielded end on shielded cable. The downside is it takes me 5 tries and 30+ minutes. And some cuss words. -Original Message- From: AF

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
I can do a beautiful job of putting a shielded end on shielded cable. The downside is it takes me 5 tries and 30+ minutes. And some cuss words. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:10 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
You and Jaime can be roommates. Like Elvis and Salmon Rushdie. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:01 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT bored Feeling empathy for Jaime. I jumped from the top hand rail of my scissors lift to floor of the

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Mark Radabaugh
It’s a shitty job on that cable, I’ll give you that.It’s what the new(ish) NOC guy created. We would shoot a field service tech (what we call our installers) if they made a end like that :-) Mark > On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:59 AM, dave wrote: > > We can show U how to meet the milspec stand

Re: [AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread Josh Luthman
Have you tried not jumping off things 6+ feet? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 12:01 PM wrote: > Feeling empathy for Jaime. I jumped from the top hand rail of my scissors > lift to floor of the basket a few

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro not onboarding some AP's

2020-07-22 Thread Josh Luthman
What version are the APs that aren't showing up on the onboard list? Older versions simply refuse anymore. I know 3.5.6+ works, I'm not sure what version you absolutely have to have (pretty sure 2.6.2.1 was a requirement at one point, but that may have been moved up with time). If they're not on

Re: [AFMUG] Simple mikrotik question at this early hour

2020-07-22 Thread Josh Luthman
Mmm that terrible picture reduced to 300kb. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > If you were one of my customers, you would take a photo of the computer > screen with your cellphone an

[AFMUG] OT bored

2020-07-22 Thread chuck
Feeling empathy for Jaime. I jumped from the top hand rail of my scissors lift to floor of the basket a few days ago. Plumbing up some new natural gas pipes to my new natural gas /electric steam cleaner. Now my herniated disks are all messed up again. So can’t do anything. Bored out of my g

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Mark Radabaugh
This one was Chemtronics "Kon Form" SR. Came from Allied Electronics: Mark > On Jul 22, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Out of curiosity, what conformal coating did you use? > > Way back in the 1975 timeframe I remember using a spray-on urethane product > from a company named

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-22 Thread Chuck McCown
I would not expect a thin layer of conformal to bother the antenna in a significant way. It might if you were putting it on a bare patch but that is not the case here. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > >  > > I decided to try a conformal coating on