Re: [AFMUG] WISPA Board Elections

2020-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Yeah, I think I saw something about that. Supreme Court? Diana Ross and The Supremes? Oh now I remember, is this you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme#/media/File:Vermin_Supreme_August_2019.jpg From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 10:32 PM

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 3GHz CBRS PALs

2020-10-14 Thread Steve Jones
This is supposed to be one of the feature opportunities for SAS administrators to differentiate themselves. Way back when, this was a feature I asked about but nobody knew what feature sets the sas administrators would have, much like today. This is a weird market right now where the products

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA Board Elections

2020-10-14 Thread Steve Jones
Am I on the ballot for supreme leader? On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 1:13 PM Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Wispa Board elections are currently ongoing.If your organization is a > member and has not voted please do so now. > > Ballots for the WISPA 2020 Board of Director Candidates were emailed out > to

Re: [AFMUG] Setting up 4 45 ft. towers with antennas

2020-10-14 Thread Bill Prince
Hey. I could use some new tires for my pickup. Do you deliver? bp On 10/14/2020 6:39 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: We have built 4 45ft. towers for internet and cameras on several large Pecan farms.  As a matter of fact, a drug

Re: [AFMUG] Setting up 4 45 ft. towers with antennas

2020-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
I love your method of taking a selfie while on a tower – take a photo of your shadow. From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Setting up 4 45 ft. towers with antennas We have built 4 45ft. towers

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 3GHz CBRS PALs

2020-10-14 Thread Matt Mangriotis via AF
With most GWPZ’s expiring *THIS SATURDAY* there should be more GAA (General Authorized Access) spectrum available starting very soon for a lot of folks. In theory, if you are not in a DPA, then there should continue to be at least 80 MHz starting next week as compared to only 50 MHz under Part

Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz CBRS PALs

2020-10-14 Thread Eric Nielsen
SAS administrators offer encumbrance and incumbent analyses that should offer the info you're looking for. Something to consider is that PALs aren't the only incumbent you should be factoring into your CBRS plans. There are also FSS operators, GWPZs in the upper 50MHz and if you fall in an inland

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

2020-10-14 Thread Bill Prince
or it's OK to shoot 10,000 long guns in random directions. bp On 10/14/2020 10:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: This rule seems based on the idea that radio interference doesn't matter if it's not 100% of the time. Like I can shoot you with a rifle as long as sometimes I point it at other people.

Re: [AFMUG] public-private fiber models

2020-10-14 Thread chuck
You can get decent used machines, but watch out for the tracking equipment. It almost never comes with the machine. We have standardized on underground magnetics. They are about $12K for a setup. You can go with older digitrackers but I would never advise that. From: Adam Moffett Sent:

[AFMUG] WISPA Board Elections

2020-10-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Wispa Board elections are currently ongoing.If your organization is a member and has not voted please do so now. Ballots for the WISPA 2020 Board of Director Candidates were emailed out to each eligible company key contact on Thursday October 8th around 12 PM ET. If the key contact did

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

2020-10-14 Thread Adam Moffett
I think SkyPilot argued that the CPE was a point to point and used the higher Tx power only in the upload direction. I think that held up to scrutiny, but not sure how helpful that was.  It probably didn't hurt. On 10/14/2020 1:55 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: On Oct 14, 2020, at 1:38 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

2020-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
This rule seems based on the idea that radio interference doesn't matter if it's not 100% of the time. Like I can shoot you with a rifle as long as sometimes I point it at other people. I feel like the FCC doesn't understand that broadband isn't a hobby or best effort service, people expect

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

2020-10-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh
> On Oct 14, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brian Webster wrote: > > I think it made it to 5 GHz too because SkyPilot had radios that ran under > PTP rules. Yes and no…. this is an active petition from Radwin before the FCC to allow higher power using beamforming antennas in U-NII-1 and U-NII-3:

Re: [AFMUG] public-private fiber models

2020-10-14 Thread Adam Moffett
We're probably going to buy our own boring machine anyway.  We'll cut ourselves a good deal on the second bore. On 10/14/2020 12:53 PM, Steven Kenney wrote: Great point if he's stuck not owning it.  If they are doing underground with a boring machine it may take 2x the time to put the extra

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

2020-10-14 Thread Brian Webster
I think it made it to 5 GHz too because SkyPilot had radios that ran under PTP rules. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:33 AM To: 'AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz CBRS PALs

2020-10-14 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Can't use your PAL's just yet, but you can see who owns them and in what county here https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/auction105/reports/results There is plenty of GAA spectrum available now. You could even turn up an AP in GAA under the PAL range...at least until an authorized

[AFMUG] 3GHz CBRS PALs

2020-10-14 Thread Jeremy Grip
Is there any way to find out how many PALs there are at a given location, without actually putting a radio in the air (and does the radio interface actually tell you that)? Hard to know if it makes sense to jump in without a PAL or two. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] public-private fiber models

2020-10-14 Thread Mike Hammett
I think the most I've paid to add a second conduit was $2/ft. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steven Kenney" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:53:33 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] public-private fiber models

2020-10-14 Thread Steven Kenney
We just did our first fiber build. We were going into an area we already had hundreds of customers, planned it all out went to the township to get the permit. Then we find out Cogeco who was sitting on that project for 5+ years was planning on doing it too. They caught wind of us being ready to

Re: [AFMUG] public-private fiber models

2020-10-14 Thread Steven Kenney
Great point if he's stuck not owning it. If they are doing underground with a boring machine it may take 2x the time to put the extra conduit in. But usually the companies doing the work will cut you a break in cost. Could even split the costs of the installation so you have some fiber in

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

2020-10-14 Thread Jeremy Grip
Well, it is more like a PtP to the client. Anybody ever had hands on a GO AP? -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:22 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4? The

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

2020-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
The infamous "Vivato Rule". http://www.vivato.com/pdfs/Vivato_Technical_White_Paper.pdf Some would say the FCC was asleep at the wheel when they allowed this. It is apparently for 2.4 GHz only. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

2020-10-14 Thread Harold Bledsoe
There's a couple of things to break down here. One is that there are 2 major kinds of beamforming - analog and digital. The ones you mention (and I'll add Go Networks to the list) were using analog beamforming. These are antenna arrays that can be phased together to make a stronger beam and