Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

2021-06-16 Thread Jason McKemie
What do you use for a lid? On Wednesday, June 16, 2021, Bill Prince wrote: > Push comes to shove, you could fab your own handhole from corrugated HDPE > culvert. We use a couple of 24" diameter ones for access to our septic > tank. We did zero reinforcement and trucks often have driven over them

Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

2021-06-16 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Every time I look into doing exactly this I get super high prices for the 24 and 36” pipes. From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 4:53 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation Push comes to shove, you could fab your own handhole from corrugated H

Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

2021-06-16 Thread Bill Prince
Push comes to shove, you could fab your own handhole from corrugated HDPE culvert. We use a couple of 24" diameter ones for access to our septic tank. We did zero reinforcement and trucks often have driven over them. The lids can be pricey, but you could also fab

Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

2021-06-16 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Google direct buries most of their splice enclosures with a locate ball. I am thinking of making a large cube of styrofoam that has a pocket for the splice case. Direct bury it all with a locate ball. Need back in, just cut the sod and pull out the styrofoam. The strength of a block of styrofo

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread dave via AF
efax it... LOL On 6/16/21 3:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That's not an option for customers that still do faxing.  They're still faxing for a reason, whatever that may be... Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 16,

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread dave via AF
Ive used the cisco ones and the cambium router cant tell any difference On 6/16/21 8:17 AM, Paul McCall wrote: For you guys doing a lot of VoIP, what Internet based faxed service are you having good success with, cost effectively? Being able to reach someone and easily port numbers is impor

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Josh Luthman
That's not an option for customers that still do faxing. They're still faxing for a reason, whatever that may be... Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:33 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Sometimes the best so

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Bill Prince
Sometimes the best solution is to pivot.  We fax so little, it just seems like a problem in search of a solution. What we started doing with the small number of people we need to exchange documents with is to just set up a secure drop box. If they want to print it

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Josh Luthman
The South African test? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-pigeon/pigeon-transfers-data-faster-than-south-africas-telkom-idUSTRE5885PM20090909#:~:text=JOHANNESBURG%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20A%20South,country's%20leading%20internet%20service%20provider . Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340

[AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

2021-06-16 Thread Jason McKemie
I've been using the Carson / Oldcastle 2200-18 vaults with a 6" extension, but everything is backordered 30+ weeks. Does anyone have any alternate suggestions for a vault to hold a FOSC 450A splice closure? HDPE would probably be preferable, but I could do a concrete polymer if necessary. Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Steve Jones
ringcentral rcfax, so cheap its negligible and the saving on the fax line more than covers the cost. I tell every customer, whether theyre going VOIP or not to toss the fax cost and go to rcfax anyway. Its just dumb to maintain a fax machine anymore On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 8:39 AM Paul McCall wro

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Adam Moffett
In fact, I think a recent experiment found that a carrier pigeon with SD cards had more bandwidth than the Internet. On 6/16/2021 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: All these paper handling machines should go in the trash.  Tell customer use pony express to send paper. On 6/16/2021 11:18 AM, Larry

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Adam Moffett
All these paper handling machines should go in the trash.  Tell customer use pony express to send paper. On 6/16/2021 11:18 AM, Larry Smith wrote: On Wed June 16 2021 09:29, Josh Luthman wrote: If you love hearing from your customers complaining about how many times they've attempted to fax a

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Larry Smith
On Wed June 16 2021 09:29, Josh Luthman wrote: > If you love hearing from your customers > complaining about how many times they've attempted to fax a 732 page > document to Zimbabwe, avoid an email to fax service. Not FAX, but just had a conversation with a customer yesterday about an all-in-one

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Adam Moffett
I agree with all these comments. My final comment is where the fax to email works great is for incoming.  If they just need to receive faxes from vendors, but they generally don't send any faxes themselves, then even the stuffiest curmudgeon prefers getting a PDF in their email. On 6/16/202

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Josh Luthman
With Atheral we do email to fax (with ClearEfax) today. Back in the day we tried all the fax stuff and email2fax/Venali was the only thing that worked well. If you love hearing from your customers complaining about how many times they've attempted to fax a 732 page document to Zimbabwe, avoid an

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Chris Fabien
We use FaxSIPit for this. It is an HTTPS relay method and works well. Number porting is done manually but they handle it quickly, their porting coverage is maybe not as great as say Voip Innovations coverage. They do have support available that knows the system and can resolve issues. The only chan

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Adam Moffett
Yup. On 6/16/2021 9:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote: I still shy away from doing anything with Alarm circuits and VoIP. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Adam Moffett
Fax to email and email to fax with VoIP Innovations works perfectly.  It's just hard to get people on board with that if they're using the analog fax machine. If they want to take the paper from the machine, scribble on it, and feed back into the machine then it's hard to sell them on the extr

Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Nate Burke
Are you talking about a online faxing service, or a provider who supports T.38 well? Voip Innovations provides a FAX<->Email service that works very well, but everything is via Email, no Web GUI. Sometimes people balk and sending financial or medical info via email. Voip Innovations T.38 ra

[AFMUG] Fax line replacement

2021-06-16 Thread Paul McCall
For you guys doing a lot of VoIP, what Internet based faxed service are you having good success with, cost effectively? Being able to reach someone and easily port numbers is important obviously. Paul Paul McCall, President Florida Broadband / PDMNet 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 7

Re: [AFMUG] Sterilizing a raccoon latrine

2021-06-16 Thread Adam Moffett
I wonder if the TEL in the gasoline made it better for huffing. On 6/15/2021 5:44 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: My mother had a cousin that would take the gas caps off cars and inhale to get high.  This was back in the 1920s and 30s. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/ma