Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Robert
That is beta user pricing.  I can imagine that the USAF is probably still working at the original bandwidth.   All users are currently beta users... On 2/8/21 5:28 PM, Bill Prince wrote: $99/MRC IIRC. Don't know if that applies to beta users. I would hope there's some accommodation for beta

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Better too! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > As long as I continue to give 500 mbps for $99 I should remain a batter > value. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:28 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>  >> $99/MRC IIRC. Don't know if that

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
As long as I continue to give 500 mbps for $99 I should remain a batter value. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:28 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >  > $99/MRC IIRC. Don't know if that applies to beta users. I would hope there's > some accommodation for beta users, but I wouldn't hold my

Re: [AFMUG] What kind of signal loss ?

2021-02-08 Thread Jaime Solorza
yep Steve,,that's what I used as well as online Radio Mobile but I could not add in trees. I don't do enough studies a year to warrant spending thousands on TAP or other such programs. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 6:01 PM Steve Jones wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
That’s actually a good point. We’ve dropped from gigabit to 600meg to 200 meg to 50 meg with only 10,000 customers. > On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:06 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > How much per month? > > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince > Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 5:17 PM >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Bill Prince
$99/MRC IIRC. Don't know if that applies to beta users. I would hope there's some accommodation for beta users, but I wouldn't hold my breath. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:06 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > How much per month? > > -Original Message- >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Robert
Currently $100 On 2/8/21 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: How much per month? -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 5:17 PM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula ... and probably the whole bay area now (~~ 37°

Re: [AFMUG] What kind of signal loss ?

2021-02-08 Thread Bill Prince
As Chuck mentions, for some reason pine trees are worse. That doesn't account for different kinds of pine trees. IDK, but there has been speculation about the length of the needles relative to the wavelength. However, that's just anecdotal. I can say that some kinds of Eucalyprus trees are just

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
How much per month? -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 5:17 PM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula ... and probably the whole bay area now (~~ 37° latitude). I had signed up for Starlink internet service. I got

Re: [AFMUG] What kind of signal loss ?

2021-02-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I only know that folks in areas with pines have reported worse loss than other types of trees. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:13 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] What kind of signal loss ? We installed a licensed 928.xxx/952.xxxMHz link for

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Steve Jones
I have more faith than that in musk. I really think, as long as governments stay out of it, this will be a game change in the data landscape. Bad for WISPs, good for consumers, until space debris and light pollution degrade it On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 6:35 PM Matt Hoppes <

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Robert
With how much they are losing per terminal, no surprise they don't want to lose anything else on the deal. Also hold up your hand if you _haven't_ seen performance drop on _fill_in_the_blank_ new tech when the customers actually start using it.   Basically wastage will expand to absorb any

Re: [AFMUG] What kind of signal loss ?

2021-02-08 Thread Steve Jones
Linkplanner doesnt calculate penetration, trees are full obstructions. one of the very very few things i dont care for about linkplanner. I dont know if radio mobile would give you closer numbers. radiomobile has an online version thats easy to use On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:14 PM Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
Yeah. Odd I can get it at our office in a city of 40,000 but not my home in the middle of nowhere 30 miles away. Also speeds have slowly eroded from gigabit to 50 megabits. I suspect this is much ado about nothing. It will relieve customers who can’t get something but shouldn’t be a major

[AFMUG] OT: Starlink now available on the S.F. Peninsula

2021-02-08 Thread Bill Prince
... and probably the whole bay area now (~~ 37° latitude). I had signed up for Starlink internet service. I got a notice this afternoon that it is available at our home address for beta-level service. Speed & latency will be variable, and there will "brief" intervals of no service. But the

Re: [AFMUG] 8-12 SFP port non-MT switch?

2021-02-08 Thread Trey Scarborough
Ciena 3930 would fit they are not necessarily fanless, but they are ETR rated and I have run them in small boxes. On 2/3/2021 11:16 AM, Dev wrote: I have a friend looking for a fanless 8-12 SFP cage switch/router, preferrably with a single 10G SFP uplink interface, something smaller than rack

Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax

2021-02-08 Thread James Howard
I hadn’t heard of that side effect. Are you on an island with Robinson Crusoe now? From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax I was scheduled for second dose today but got changed to

Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax

2021-02-08 Thread Jaime Solorza
I was scheduled for second dose today but got changed to Friday...oh well... On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 3:26 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > "So far, zero side effects." > > One of the side effects is claiming there are no side effects. > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 7:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax

2021-02-08 Thread Carl Peterson
"So far, zero side effects." One of the side effects is claiming there are no side effects. On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 7:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > So far, zero side effects. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 5, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Robert wrote: > > > > Please keep us informed as to

Re: [AFMUG] Modern software companies....

2021-02-08 Thread Steve Jones
I think common issue is acquisitions and poor changelogs. a software is created, usually specific case, then tweaked for other use cases, by some nerd. eventually the software gets popular and the nerd sells it, it may get bought or sold a few times, going through the hands of multiple Devs.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: For those who like to bask in your nice noise free world.

2021-02-08 Thread Steve Jones
its not supposed to look like that? On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:49 AM Darin Steffl wrote: > That's virtually unusable based on the scans. Ours is bad but not quite > that bad. > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:43 AM Nate Burke wrote: > >> My current channel is 5210. I can't even pick out the noise

Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate consultant needed

2021-02-08 Thread Steve Jones
Finley Engineering out of Missouri does a lot of stuff like this, I dont know about e Rate specific, but the accounted for a lot of the gubmint checks that went out On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 9:37 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Any recommendations on an E-Rate consultant. I have a

Re: [AFMUG] WTB PMP450i 900 MHz AP

2021-02-08 Thread David Sovereen via AF
I have found a single source for all three and appear to be in good shape for getting them tomorrow. If anything changes, I will let you know. Thanks to all who responded. Regards, Dave David Sovereen Mercury Network Corporation 2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640 989.837.3790 x151

Re: [AFMUG] Modern software companies....

2021-02-08 Thread Mark Radabaugh
A certain association management software company But it’s been a recurring theme lately. Mark > On Feb 8, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: > > Is there a particular piece of software you are referring to? > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:20 PM Mark Radabaugh >

Re: [AFMUG] Modern software companies....

2021-02-08 Thread Mike Hammett
A tangent off of that. A lot of developers think they know more than you do about what you want or how things should be done. Sometimes that's true. Sometimes it's not. Generally, they're not willing to yield when it's not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest

Re: [AFMUG] Modern software companies....

2021-02-08 Thread Cameron Crum
Is there a particular piece of software you are referring to? On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:20 PM Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Ah, the fun of modern software and business technology…. > > One coder can create a platform, sell it as software-as-a-service and hire > 500 barely trained droids to sell and

Re: [AFMUG] WTB PMP450i 900 MHz AP

2021-02-08 Thread Mathew Howard
I'll need to check what we have, but I'm pretty sure we have at least two used ones around here. If you're still looking for some, give me an offer. On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 4:55 PM david.sovereen--- via AF wrote: > Hi All, > > We had four APs on four towers spanning about 20 miles fail this

Re: [AFMUG] Modern software companies....

2021-02-08 Thread Larry Smith
I keep a crowbar handy... (for multiple purposes)... -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net On Mon February 8 2021 12:20, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Ah, the fun of modern software and business technology…. > > One coder can create a platform, sell it as software-as-a-service and hire > 500 barely

[AFMUG] Modern software companies....

2021-02-08 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Ah, the fun of modern software and business technology…. One coder can create a platform, sell it as software-as-a-service and hire 500 barely trained droids to sell and service it.It works great as long as you don’t want anything done that isn’t on the script the droids are drooling on

Re: [AFMUG] WTB PMP450i 900 MHz AP

2021-02-08 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Dave, I feel your pain. We have had this issue on and off with the 450i 900mhz platform. I just lost another one this weekend as well. I was able to get the customers onto another AP but its now severely congested. I thought the cold weather failures were behind me on this platform. I don’t

Re: [AFMUG] OT: For those who like to bask in your nice noise free world.

2021-02-08 Thread Darin Steffl
That's virtually unusable based on the scans. Ours is bad but not quite that bad. On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:43 AM Nate Burke wrote: > My current channel is 5210. I can't even pick out the noise from my other > AP's. We're the only non cellular operator here. This is just what it's > picking

[AFMUG] OT: For those who like to bask in your nice noise free world.

2021-02-08 Thread Nate Burke
My current channel is 5210. I can't even pick out the noise from my other AP's. We're the only non cellular operator here. This is just what it's picking up looking out over the Chicago Metro. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] E-Rate consultant needed

2021-02-08 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Any recommendations on an E-Rate consultant. I have a possible bid opportunity at the end of the month and I want to make sure I'll following the procedure. -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing

Re: [AFMUG] 10G FTTH access switch / CRS326-24S+2Q+RM

2021-02-08 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Not that I have seen but our 1G circuits are lightly used. Almost everything is 10G interfaces now. 10G traffic destined for 1G interfaces could be an issue if the traffic load is greater than 1G. We haven't seen this though. Jim Bouse Owner - Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000

Re: [AFMUG] 10G FTTH access switch / CRS326-24S+2Q+RM

2021-02-08 Thread Dave
Ive been using the mikrotik CRS328 for a few years without issue. On 2/8/2021 6:52 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: The 326 is a solid switch. Any issues when mixing 1G and 10G optics? I recall reading about buffering issues, slow speeds and packet loss. - Jared -- AF mailing list

Re: [AFMUG] 10G FTTH access switch / CRS326-24S+2Q+RM

2021-02-08 Thread fiberrun
> The 326 is a solid switch.  Any issues when mixing 1G and 10G optics? I recall reading about buffering issues, slow speeds and packet loss. - Jared -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 10G FTTH access switch / CRS326-24S+2Q+RM

2021-02-08 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
The 326 is a solid switch. The UBNT XG-16 is good too if you dont need to do QinQ vlan. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT 5G Evolution capable smartphone Original message From: fiber...@mail.com Date: 2/8/21 6:43 AM (GMT-06:00) To: af@af.afmug.com Subject:

[AFMUG] 10G FTTH access switch / CRS326-24S+2Q+RM

2021-02-08 Thread fiberrun
What do you guys use for 10G FTTH access switches? Does anybody use the Mikrotik CRS326-24S+2Q+RM? I'm a bit hesitant to use Mikrotik products as of late, with all the problems they have been having. Recommendations, anti-recommendations, experiences good or bad welcome. - Jared -- AF