The TSes have known issues. Even fanboys pulled them all out of their networks.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: cstann...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:13:57 PM
Subject: Re:
Is it, thought? ;-)
FWIW, I have some ePTP up (eagerly awaiting ePTP sync!) and no issues that I'm
aware of.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent:
Though* Early in the morning...
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 6:45:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?
Eptp sync doesn't sound possible. That's what the tdd ptp is for. Do you
mean the 2.5ms timing?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8, 2015 7:47 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Though* Early in the morning...
No, I mean exactly what I said ePTP sync.
There's no reason that I'm aware of that the ePTP up\down cycles couldn't be
synced. The regular sync has to deal with potentially dozens of clients. The
ePTP just has to deal with one.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
But that depends on frame timing which would leave you at the current tdd
ptp (5ms today, 2.5ms after 2.5). I'd love to see the 2ms latency be
synced but I don't see how that would be doable.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8,
Agreed. Currently I'm all routed, but am looking to move to VPLS for those
beyond router-router L2 segments. I don't think I'll actually be saving any
address space as it isn't as simple as everything goes to the head-end because
there are multiple head-ends.
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Mike Hammett
I'm not seeing the problem here. Either option beats 15 - 20 ms that standard
sync does.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, August 8,
So... Not so tough? Perhaps Wimp Switch? WS?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 8/8/2015 4:29 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The TSes have known issues. Even fanboys pulled them all out of their
networks.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Yep, I'm pretty sure it doesn't use fixed frames in ePTP mode... trying to
sync that sounds like it'd end up like airmax sync.
2.5ms frames make sync a lot more useful for ptp though.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
But that depends on frame
Good suggestions, thanks!
GPON vs active is interesting, but I really wanted to be able to up the ante
when necessary.
I wasn’t sure with GPON how high I could go.
But with active I am doing a “true” gigabit per customer, limited only by
upstream switch port density.
The Dell switches have no
That’s what I’m struggling with too.
Multiple potential head ends that are geographically diverse on the network.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 6:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist
Agreed.
Oh ok!
I’ll take a look at that and maybe order one to play with.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Blake
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 5:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy sexy!
If you need 48 ports per 1RU, then I would
I saw this company mentioned in a Krebs On Security article.
http://www.mailchannels.com/
Probably not too many of us do enough hosting business that we have to worry
about signing up a spammer who trashes the reputation of our IP blocks. I
do get a few unsolicited requests per year from
2.5 msec frame allows for sync and improves PTP latency as compared to 5 msec
frame.
ePTP cannot be synced as communication is driven based on dynamic data from
each link.
Dan Sullivan
ePMP Software Manager
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday,
Thanks for the confirmation. And on a Saturday!!!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Dan Sullivan
daniel.sulli...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
2.5 msec frame allows for sync and improves PTP latency as
Looks good, how are you transitioning from the OSP cable to the TE
rackmount unit?
On Friday, August 7, 2015, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote:
I guess the list doesn't like 2MB file attachments, lol!
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
The rack company sells trays with precut lengths of fiber.
So I think we ordered with 100’ lengths and spliced it in the truck in a large
case splice that sits in a handhold about 10 feet away from the rack on the
curb.
The crew liked this way better than splicing on the rack itself.
From:
Where is that rack sitting? Curb side?
Tushar
On Aug 8, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote:
The rack company sells trays with precut lengths of fiber.
So I think we ordered with 100’ lengths and spliced it in the truck in a
large case splice that sits in a
It says curb side never mind. Does it need cooling?
Tushar
On Aug 8, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Tushar Patel tpa...@ecpi.com wrote:
Where is that rack sitting? Curb side?
Tushar
On Aug 8, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote:
The rack company sells trays with
Most of our cabinets sit back from the curb 10-20 feet.
There is usually a large hand hold next to the curb, or even part of the
cabinet pad that we pour.
Then we just plumb several pipes through the pad to the hand hole for access
(before the pour).
The cabinets are cooled with
So you are allowed to put cabinet of that size on right of way? Or you get
lease from home owner?
Power from power company at 15 amp?
Tushar
On Aug 8, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote:
Most of our cabinets sit back from the curb 10-20 feet.
There is
sounds like home owner power
On Aug 8, 2015 1:25 PM, Tushar Patel tpa...@ecpi.com wrote:
So you are allowed to put cabinet of that size on right of way? Or you get
lease from home owner?
Power from power company at 15 amp?
Tushar
On Aug 8, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Sterling Jacobson
There is 10G Gpon...
On Saturday, August 8, 2015, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote:
Good suggestions, thanks!
GPON vs active is interesting, but I really wanted to be able to up the
ante when necessary.
I wasn’t sure with GPON how high I could go.
But with active I am
I have a pair of unsynced 5Ghz on Force dishes that I put up in April. They run
pretty much flawlessly. They are 4 miles apart and push around 80mb each way in
a 20mhz channel. No complaints. Other than the crappy design of the dish which
I would have tossed off the tower when I was installing
Tdd ptp or eptp?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8, 2015 5:37 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:
I have a pair of unsynced 5Ghz on Force dishes that I put up in April.
They run pretty much flawlessly. They are
Too confusing. Makes brain hurt.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?
Tdd ptp or eptp?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8,
EPTP
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 4:53:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?
Tdd ptp or eptp?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
FYI, A Beta release with 2.5ms frame support is available:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Beta/ePMP-Beta-Release-2-5-RC10-is-now-available/m-p/42702#U42702
It will be great to get some feedback on it.
Thanks,
Sriram
From: Af
Gotcha. This is how I've been doing it, just wondered if there was an
easier way.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:
The rack company sells trays with precut lengths of fiber.
So I think we ordered with 100’ lengths and spliced it in the truck in
You can do 10gpon
On Saturday, August 8, 2015, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote:
Good suggestions, thanks!
GPON vs active is interesting, but I really wanted to be able to up the
ante when necessary.
I wasn’t sure with GPON how high I could go.
But with active I am doing
Stay away from STP, go MpLS , MPLS-TP if possible
On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower,
got a different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the
customers, all the fun
Netonix for the win!
On Friday, August 7, 2015, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com
wrote:
I have a few of these laying around. I removed them after I realized they
don't like a mix of 100Mb and Gigabit. I really want to use them though
rather than let them collect dust.
Does
Oooh!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8, 2015 6:03 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
FYI, A Beta release with 2.5ms frame support is available:
Still waiting for this fabled Netonix switch. I need a DC version. Please
tell me where I can find this mystical creature.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Gino Villarini ginovi...@gmail.com wrote:
Netonix for the win!
On Friday, August 7, 2015, Brett A Mansfield
On the Internet. There's a bunch from what I saw on the stores.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8, 2015 7:42 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Still waiting for this fabled Netonix switch. I need a DC version.
There is in no way shape or form a fable that Netonix is producing great
switches for WISPs. The DC version has taken longer than expected, but that
doesn't mean that the Netonix switch is fabled. They announced pre-orders a
couple weeks ago.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
I hadn't realized that ePTP mode didn't have any up\down ratios set. I just
checked my radios and sure enough...
So the best we're going to get out of ePMP synced backhauls is... ~7.5ms?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message
Head-ends and NOC all geographically diverse, so then each tower potentially
has three public /30s instead of one for however many neighboring towers.
Decisions...
It should improve latency and possibly re-route times. *shrugs*
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Is ZTE less evil that Huawei?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:18:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber, sexy
Home-run your glass and then at the cabinet, decide AE or GPON as needed.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:42:47 AM
Synced, yes. Eptp no sync 2ms.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8, 2015 8:36 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
I hadn't realized that ePTP mode didn't have any up\down ratios set. I
just checked my radios and sure
How do you do a hard reset on the ePTP?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?
Synced, yes. Eptp no sync 2ms.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Well I am on their list and I wasn't notified. I'd love to pre-order.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
There is in no way shape or form a fable that Netonix is producing great
switches for WISPs. The DC version has taken longer than expected, but
that
The first run of DCs have shipped. We got a couple we’re deploying next week.
The next run will be in a week or two I think.
On Aug 8, 2015, at 8:17 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Well I am on their list and I wasn't notified. I'd love to pre-order.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at
Would it be any different than any other radio mode?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:47:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is
Pretty sure it would be the same... poke the reset button.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Would it be any different than any other radio mode?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
I'm pretty ignorant on MPLS, but doesn't it work without OSPF? Or is a
routing protocol necessary for it to function correctly?
On Saturday, August 8, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Head-ends and NOC all geographically diverse, so then each tower
potentially has three public /30s
MPLS does require OSPF to function.
However, to use VPLS tunnels from my tower to my edge, I still have three
destinations for every tower, edge 1, edge 2 and NOC (without jumping back and
forth) for my IGP to choose amongst.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Power cycle it like 6 times. 3 second on, 3 second off times 6?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8, 2015 10:58 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
Pretty sure it would be the same... poke the reset button.
On Sat,
Awesome. I just ordered two 12 port direct from Netonix. Hopefully I'll
get them soon.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Cassidy B. Larson c...@infowest.com wrote:
The first run of DCs have shipped. We got a couple we’re deploying next
week. The next run will be in a week or two I think.
ZTE's OLT 10G modules were not that bad, I just don't remember the ONT's
being readily available.
Regards,
Chuck
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:
At what cost, and 10Gig synchronous?
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino
You can also run 10G GPON and regular GPON on the same fiber as well.
Sorry for the multiple messages.
Regards,
Chuck
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
ZTE's OLT 10G modules were not that bad, I just don't remember the ONT's
being readily available.
I didn’t want to have customers switch public IP on fail.
So that would require at least a /24 per site for BGP failover at the edge, if
it has to BGP through a different route.
Or, I guess, just set up multiple BGP edges but make sure they have at least
one other path into the network (or
Interesting, I didn’t know that.
Makes sense that it’s possible, just completely non overlapping frequency space
I guess.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another neighborhood on fiber,
You lost me here... why the /24 per site? Just do whatever you were going to do
anyway out of your /(whatever greater than 24). This wouldn't affect your EGP
at all.
Unless you're trying to save the IPs from tower to each edge. I'd rather use
IPs than haul traffic to one edge, then back to
A stock price directly influenced by hype. Apple's bubble will pop. I love it
when RF geeks find out how little you can actually do on an iPhone compared to
Android.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince
Yeah that makes sense.
I guess I was getting overly complicated where if you split the entire network
in two and one site from each side had something less than a /24 you would have
to abandon one site entirely to switch BGP at the edge.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Whether iOS or Android, I don’t see why people love their phones so much. Yes,
they are little and portable, but everything else about them sucks compared to
a computer. The processors are slow, the screens are small, the keyboards
suck, the sound sucks, multitasking sucks, you have fat
Hard to bring my desktop to the top of a tower. ;-)
I've got a 6 screen on my phone, so it is among the largest. I actually have a
higher resolution on my phone than my PC ( 1440 x 2560), but it is much tougher
to use.
I do prefer to use my laptop when it is convenient to do so.
That said
But people in 3rd world countries can't afford real computers.
Sometimes, a cell (smart) phone is all they have.
Why we do it here is another story...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 8/8/2015 8:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Whether iOS or Android, I don’t see why people love their phones so
and yet computers are cheaper than phones.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 11:06:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Here's proof
Bluetooth keyboard. I've been keeping an eye out for one to leave in my
car.
I love the portability but you're right - everything else blows.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 9, 2015 12:02 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
Where is the reset button.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:58 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?
Pretty sure it would be the same... poke the reset button.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Mike
Next to the ethernet port, if I remember correctly. You can also do the
power on/off sequence like Josh said.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
Where is the reset button.
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:*
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