Re: [AFMUG] af-5x antenna options

2015-09-18 Thread Mathew Howard
Yep, they'll work fine with any 5ghz antennas, the radios don't know the difference as long as the gain is set right. On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > I didn’t see that in the manual. I put a set on existing Radiowaves > antennas replacing old Trango 5010,

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Rory Conaway
It makes a big difference if you are clustering the antennas on the same pole or tower with Ubiquiti equipment. Even the better antennas don’t have the same level of side and back rejection. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, September 18,

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Jason McKemie
Yeah, plus people just don't understand the surcharge. Unfortunately, you just have to raise prices across the board to cover the expense - then everyone pays. I received a settlement letter about this a long time ago, which is the only reason I knew about it. On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:48 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] c3voip-200p canopy wireless router and IPv6

2015-09-18 Thread Matt
> Have one at my house. I went to Network > WAN and the IP Protocol Version > drop-down menu only has IPv4. So I would say no. > Is there a way to load Mikrotik on it? Rather short sighted to not include IPv6 I would say. >> >> Looking at the c3voip-200p router. We do PPPoE and dual stack IPv4

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Peter Kranz
Rory have you tried the AC sectors? They seem cleaner that the previous antennas in regards to FB ratio and sidelobes. I did a mass replace of rfarmor sectors with AC sectors and saw improved performance across the board. Their general shielding is structurally similar to the way RF armor

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Simon Westlake
I guess I should've tried adding 1 to the filename ;) Looks like from that document it's still not so clear cut though. I haven't really kept up on this, but according to the article, 10 states still prohibit it, as does AMEX. Either way, it's something I would put some time into researching

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Jason McKemie
I must have gotten lucky, I have yet to receive a bad check. In my experience, deadbeats just don't pay period. My issue is with the whole system in general - people just assume the percentage benefits that they get come out of thin air. Meanwhile, people that use cash are paying the penalty as

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Cameron Crum
Having that discussion with Nathan on another thread! On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > Hey! That would be a great topic of the Billing Best Practices and > Policies session at Wispapalooza! (Shameless plug). > > Jeff Broadwick > ConVergence

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Utilization Percentage Calculation?

2015-09-18 Thread Paul Stewart
Yes... considered utilized -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Roland Houin Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:58 PM To: John Seaman Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Utilization Percentage Calculation? I believe so. I consider it 100%

Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

2015-09-18 Thread Jaime Solorza
Do they tape over built in camera on laptops? On Sep 18, 2015 3:26 PM, "Nate Burke" wrote: > I have a few customers who have just started turning their radios off > every night, like they're on a timer. I talked to one of them, and he said > it's feed off the same outlet as

[AFMUG] Failed or non-working AirFiber 24

2015-09-18 Thread Brett A Mansfield
Anyone have a non-functioning AirFiber 24 they'd be willing to sell? Please ping me off-list. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Darin Steffl
I love the discussion so far on this. So there is varying degrees of where this may be legal to do and not in some other cases. The way I have seen it is that tuition and other public entities like DMV have always been able to charge a convenience fee when I pay with credit card. Other places like

Re: [AFMUG] ipv6 question

2015-09-18 Thread Paul Stewart
Cool.. have fun and good luck! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ipv6 question After doing some further reading about some of the standards within ipv6 and more over ipv4 and

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Adam Moffett
+1 I think this is a bit backwards myself. Credit card auto pay has a higher percentage chance of being on time than checks. We encourage our customers to charge a check processing fee or at least give a discount to auto payers. I know we spent a lot more time tracking down checks and had

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread chuck
I wonder if there is an opportunity there. If you have a merchant account that charges less than the taxing entity, then there is an arbitrage opportunity for a middleman. From: Simon Westlake Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Travis Johnson
I'm not sure any more, but it used to be against Federal law to charge more for credit cards that's why all the gas stations do a "cash discount". Travis On 9/18/2015 12:30 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: Hey all, If some of you with Powercode would be interested in this feature, can you

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Simon Westlake
Yeah, you can offer a price with a cash discount. That's the typical workaround. On 9/18/2015 2:29 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: I love the discussion so far on this. So there is varying degrees of where this may be legal to do and not in some other cases. The way I have seen it is that tuition and

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Uhh then why is it my electric bill can get away with a ~$15 card processing fee? As will all of the court houses for traffic tickets. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Simon Westlake <

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Ryan Ray
+1 Don't charge your customers for using a credit card or they will pull your merchant agreement. For good reason. I hate companies that do this. On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Simon Westlake < simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com> wrote: > Darin, > > Not a lawyer, but be careful - I'm pretty

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Jason McKemie
I'm pretty sure you're allowed to charge for it now. http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-surcharges-allowed-1281.php On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > +1 > > Don't charge your customers for using a credit card or they will pull your >

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Brett A Mansfield
I did the same. Replaced several RF armor shielded sectors with the new AC ones and had much better performance. I still think there is a place for RF armor though. They are only 60 degree sectors so I'd have to use twice as many radios killing what, if any spectrum there is left. I use RF

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Rory Conaway
No, I need more than 45 degrees on the antennas with a +- of 3dB. I’m putting up some Titanium ones up shortly without shields because of the wind load issues on this particular tower. When an 802.11ac or equivalent comes out with GPS synch, then I’ll look at the tighter antennas. Until

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Cameron Crum
I think this is a bit backwards myself. Credit card auto pay has a higher percentage chance of being on time than checks. We encourage our customers to charge a check processing fee or at least give a discount to auto payers. I know we spent a lot more time tracking down checks and had very few

[AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Darin Steffl
Hey all, If some of you with Powercode would be interested in this feature, can you please vote for it on the feature request link below? Basically, this feature would automatically apply a fixed or percentage based fee to the bill for all credit or debit card payments. It would also warn the

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Simon Westlake
There's some details on the page, but some entities are exempt (ISPs not being one of them.) You can charge a 'convenience fee' if all charges via that payment channel are assessed the same fee. So if you only took credit cards on your online customer portal, and you charged a convenience fee

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Simon Westlake
Tax and tuition payments are two of the things exempt from being unable to assess a charge purely for CC usage. Unfortunately. On 9/18/2015 1:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yeah, I would love to be able to pay my property tax with a card that gives miles. But they tack on 3% if I do this.

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread chuck
Yeah, I would love to be able to pay my property tax with a card that gives miles. But they tack on 3% if I do this. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Mathew Howard
Agreed, it makes more sense to me to just use better antennas in the first place. On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Peter Kranz wrote: > I don’t see the use case for rfarmor at this point. > > > > > *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com > Desk:

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Bill Prince
If you consider a sector 3db drop-off, those AC sectors are more like 30°. Much more to my liking on a busy tower. bp On 9/18/2015 11:53 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: No, I need more than 45 degrees on the antennas with a +- of 3dB. I’m putting up some Titanium ones

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT vs ePMP Signal Strength?

2015-09-18 Thread Christopher Gray
What Josh said. The EB-ePMP is awesome. I've only been using them for a few months but they seem to be holding up well. [For my first tests, I just used zip-ties, which worked for a week while I waited for the adapters to arrive.] The Ubiquiti silicone boots do not fit the ePMP RP-SMA connectors

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT vs ePMP Signal Strength?

2015-09-18 Thread Josh Luthman
I'd coax seal. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 18, 2015 10:33 PM, "Christopher Gray" wrote: > What Josh said. The EB-ePMP is awesome. I've only been using them for a > few months but they seem to

Re: [AFMUG] ipv6 question

2015-09-18 Thread David Milholen
I am doing 2 labs one with 6to4 turned up and without 6to4 like in the old days. I looking to see which one will take a performance hit the worst. I dont suspect either will but would be neat to find out. On 9/18/2015 2:58 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: Cool.. have fun and good luck! *From:*Af

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Rory Conaway
Yea, but too many radios on the tower without synch. If you have to run some at DFS specs and others at 5.8GHz power levels, then to cover 360 degrees, that’s a lot of noise. Just depends on the environment. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday,

[AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

2015-09-18 Thread Nate Burke
I have a few customers who have just started turning their radios off every night, like they're on a timer. I talked to one of them, and he said it's feed off the same outlet as his water heater, and He has a timer that turns his water heater off every night from like midnight to 4 am.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

2015-09-18 Thread Nate Burke
Not trailers, but all water heaters are now electric. Forced air venting and electronic ignition. I'm guessing without power they won't heat the water. On 9/18/2015 4:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Since when does a water heater run off an "outlet", assuming these are electric water heaters,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

2015-09-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
I doubt he is saving much by turning off the water heater for 4 hours. Could accomplish the same or better by lowering the temperature setting. Or getting one of the tankless point-of-use water heaters, those have been popular for several years now. Actually the rest of the world has used

Re: [AFMUG] c3voip-200p canopy wireless router and IPv6

2015-09-18 Thread George Skorup
Have one at my house. I went to Network > WAN and the IP Protocol Version drop-down menu only has IPv4. So I would say no. On 9/18/2015 3:50 PM, Matt wrote: Looking at the c3voip-200p router. We do PPPoE and dual stack IPv4 and IPv6. I cannot seem to find any mention of IPv6 in the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

2015-09-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
Since when does a water heater run off an "outlet", assuming these are electric water heaters, they should be on a dedicated big-ass breaker, like 240V at 30A or something. Are these trailers? -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:26 PM To: Animal

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Peter Kranz
I’m seeing much better channel re-use with these as well. You might want to give them a try, you might be surprised. Each time I performed a complete tower conversion, I gained several new channel options. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100

Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

2015-09-18 Thread George Skorup
Power vent. Doesn't use that much power in stand-by. Maybe when the glow plug is on for ignition and then the inducer motor is running. But that's when you're taking a shower or something. I would think a high-efficiency appliance will offset the operating cost, making it a wash. 4 hours a

Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

2015-09-18 Thread Bill Prince
But most CPEs/SMs need to run a week to burn 1 kilowatt. What's that? About a dime. So turning their CPE/SM off for 4 hours a night is going to save them somewhere around 7 cents a month. That's just brilliant. bp On 9/18/2015 2:26 PM, Nate Burke wrote: I have a

Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

2015-09-18 Thread Chuck McCown
I remember back in the 70s, electric water heaters got timers and blankets, many times for free paid for by some govt program. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings? I doubt he is

[AFMUG] c3voip-200p canopy wireless router and IPv6

2015-09-18 Thread Matt
Looking at the c3voip-200p router. We do PPPoE and dual stack IPv4 and IPv6. I cannot seem to find any mention of IPv6 in the c3voip-200p manual. Does it not support IPv6?

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Tim Reichhart
I dont think chris is wanting go out of business Tim -Original Message- From: "Stefan Englhardt" To: af@afmug.com Date: 09/18/15 02:56 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing   The distributor we buyed cluster mount replaced them with RF-Shielding …     Von: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Verboten 5Ghz band

2015-09-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
I think this list is still applicable, and generally best to stay clear of 5600-5650 even if you’re not near a TDWR. http://www.wispa.org/Resources/Industry-Resources/TDWR-Resources/TDWR-Locations-and-Frequencies From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 6:53 AM To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] af-5x antenna options

2015-09-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
I didn’t see that in the manual. I put a set on existing Radiowaves antennas replacing old Trango 5010, left polarization at V/H, seems to work fine. Dial in the correct antenna gain to stay legal, done and done. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 11:25 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] epmp breakdown

2015-09-18 Thread Josh Baird
We have also been using the Jirous JRC-24 EX MIMO 1" dish for some installs. On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > I don't think they're 18, 16-17 sounds about right. But, yes, Force110 is > the way to go. I like to keep a few Integrated antennas around

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Stefan Englhardt
The distributor we buyed cluster mount replaced them with RF-Shielding … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm Gesendet: Freitag, 18. September 2015 07:59 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing is he wanting to go out of business? -- If

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT vs ePMP Signal Strength?

2015-09-18 Thread Jay Weekley
I hate to revive a discussion that died a week ago but am I reading correctly that you used an ePMP radio on a Ubiquiti Rocket dish? If so, is that a difficult or is there an adapter? Christopher Gray wrote: I just changed two low bandwidth 5 MHz width PTP links from Rocket M2 radios to ePMP

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT vs ePMP Signal Strength?

2015-09-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Jay - the adapter is like $5 or something http://www.rfelements.com/en/products/brackets/easybracket-for-epmp/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: > I

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Field Performance webinar recording available

2015-09-18 Thread chuck
“and there is no registration form to view it.” I just heard a heavenly choir... From: Ray Savich Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 7:28 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Field Performance webinar recording available Get the latest on the 450i and see field results from the

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Field Performance webinar recording available

2015-09-18 Thread Josh Luthman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBZ7AfZR9xs Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:08 AM, wrote: > “and there is no registration form to view it.” I just heard a heavenly > choir... > >

[AFMUG] 450i Field Performance webinar recording available

2015-09-18 Thread Ray Savich
Get the latest on the 450i and see field results from the testing done by Webformix and others. The webinar is on the Community at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/PMP-450i-Field-Performance-webinar-Sep-17/m-p/43809#U43809 and there is no registration form to view it. You can

Re: [AFMUG] Commercial Cabling

2015-09-18 Thread Jay Weekley
I've always had trouble giving an exact price on drops because I never know what obstacles I am going to find. That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 150 per drop for a couple 75 for a lot I think is what we settled in on. includes all the guts On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Jay Weekley

Re: [AFMUG] ipv6 question

2015-09-18 Thread David
After doing some further reading about some of the standards within ipv6 and more over ipv4 and remembering what we did in early days of cisco OSPF or MPLS is the answer since OSPF is an interface discovery protocol very similar to ipv6 on how it finds its neighbours I could very easily just as

Re: [AFMUG] rfarmor pricing

2015-09-18 Thread Peter Kranz
I don’t see the use case for rfarmor at this point. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm

[AFMUG] OT: FM Safety

2015-09-18 Thread Dan Petermann
We have a client on a FM tower. FM is 50KW, clients 11GHz BH is 200’ below FM antenna. Should we contact the FM station or should the power levels be in the safe range? We have RF exposure meters. I’m just trying to cover the bases as the tower is 4 hours away.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FM Safety

2015-09-18 Thread can...@believewireless.net
You should be fine 200' below. We are fine 100ft below. Our RF meters don't go off. When we get closer, we do have them turn down the power. On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Dan Petermann wrote: > We have a client on a FM tower. > > FM is 50KW, clients 11GHz BH is 200’ below

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FM Safety

2015-09-18 Thread chuck
Yeah, the radiation for FM comes out of the antenna array, not the tower. And it had enough gain that not much goes energy goes down or up. From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 10:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FM Safety You should be fine

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Sweet so ISPs aren't utilities for the benefits but are utilities for more downsides. Yay!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Simon Westlake < simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com> wrote: > Tax and

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

2015-09-18 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Hey! That would be a great topic of the Billing Best Practices and Policies session at Wispapalooza! (Shameless plug). Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Cameron Crum

Re: [AFMUG] Commercial Cabling

2015-09-18 Thread Lewis Bergman
That's close to w what we get. It varies a little from drop ceiling to solid sheetrock. Then we charge for the plates, punch downs, etc On Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 9:19 AM Jay Weekley wrote: > I've always had trouble giving an exact price on drops because I never > know

[AFMUG] test

2015-09-18 Thread chuck
not testy, or testimonial

Re: [AFMUG] test

2015-09-18 Thread Ty Featherling
response not responsible or responded On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:33 AM, wrote: > not testy, or testimonial >

Re: [AFMUG] test

2015-09-18 Thread Jaime Solorza
Repartee On Sep 18, 2015 9:41 AM, "Ty Featherling" wrote: > response > > not responsible or responded > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:33 AM, wrote: > >> not testy, or testimonial >> > >

Re: [AFMUG] test

2015-09-18 Thread Jaime Solorza
No hablo On Sep 18, 2015 9:33 AM, wrote: > not testy, or testimonial >