Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Moisture Wetness Sensor

2015-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman
Uhmm isn't there a voltage output humidity sensor for Packetflux? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 30, 2015 10:10 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" wrote: > Would something like this >

[AFMUG] SiteMonitor Moisture Wetness Sensor

2015-12-30 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
Has anyone connected a moisture sensor to a SiteMonitor for wetness detection inside an enclosure? Looking for a compatible sensor, thx!

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin AC1750DB router leaking LAN to WAN?

2015-12-30 Thread Bill Prince
Is this a manifestation of the Belkin filling its NAT table,and then letting the overflow leak through to the WAN side? I've seen this with other routers. bp On 12/30/2015 8:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Anyone seen these routers leak LAN to WAN? We hooked up a new

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin AC1750DB router leaking LAN to WAN?

2015-12-30 Thread Rory Conaway
I've seen the Ubiquiti AirRouters do this a while back.. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 9:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Belkin AC1750DB router leaking LAN to WAN? Anyone seen these

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin AC1750DB router leaking LAN to WAN?

2015-12-30 Thread George Skorup
Most consumer routers and the software on them are that dumb. When the NAT table is full, they start sending LAN traffic out of the WAN w/o NAT, aka routing. I've seen this.. a lot. Like when customers have eleventy billion devices and/or someone's doing BitTorrent. But I think what Ken's

[AFMUG] Everykey

2015-12-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
John McAfee's latest venture. https://everykey.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFNRkd1g-kg

Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Moisture Wetness Sensor

2015-12-30 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
Would something like this work connected to the relay block? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent:

[AFMUG] Belkin AC1750DB router leaking LAN to WAN?

2015-12-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Anyone seen these routers leak LAN to WAN? We hooked up a new customer who has one of these and while it is establishing a PPPoE session on the WAN side, we are also seeing his LAN side MAC address, we are seeing a rogue DHCP server from him, and can even log into his router at 192.168.2.1

Re: [AFMUG] OT:electric smoker fueled woodgas generator to runthesmoker

2015-12-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
> I get weird when i dont sleep And when you do sleep? From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:electric smoker fueled woodgas generator to runthesmoker No, woodgas will not give you full rate power from a piston engine. You

Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Moisture Wetness Sensor

2015-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman
I could have sworn there was a probe on his demo back in the day... Maybe find a third party probe that does this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 30, 2015 10:18 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" wrote: > If

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
You have two or more grounding circuits that are not bonded together properly. Say one circuit for the tower and radio gear that goes into some ground rods and then the power company with their neutral and ground circuit. If those two are not tied together with a very low impedance heavy duty

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread Seth Mattinen
There's been 14 Falcon 9 launches with 13 successful and 1 failure. ~Seth

[AFMUG] AP inside a metal enclosure

2015-12-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Im looking for cheap access to our network when we pull up to a site. I would prefer low power with no external antennas. If I toss in one of these mAP inside the enclosures (36x36x12) will I toast them from the reflections inside? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't

Re: [AFMUG] AP inside a metal enclosure

2015-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman
It won't work from 100 yards away but if you're close, the device itself wouldn't be my concern at all. I'd be concerned more about the network gear itself rather than my from the truck access. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread Matt
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Re: [AFMUG] AP inside a metal enclosure

2015-12-30 Thread Nate Burke
I don't know if you'd toast the AP, but you severely cut down on range. I have a couple 951's in steel job Boxes for this purpose, and I can get about 20' away before it drops. Doesn't work from inside the car. If the lid on the box is open, then it works fine. On 12/30/2015 11:48 AM, That

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread chuck
There is a ground testing method called the “decline of potential” or “fall of potential”. You can do it with three ground rods, 100’ of cat 5 and a car battery. In any event, you measure the resistance of your grounding systems. If it is not low enough you keep adding ground rods until it

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread Bill Prince
Please don't change your meds Steve. bp On 12/30/2015 9:44 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: I dont need facts and statistics to be hypercritical and judgemental with a slight hint of asshole :-) On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Seth Mattinen

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Bill Prince
Our primary tower site has a 25x25 grid with rather large copper bars spaced on 5' centers, arranged in a waffle pattern. All welded at the crossing points with big 12' ground rods at each crossing point (also welded to the waffle pattern). There are numerous ground wires; not sure the gauge,

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Jay Weekley
I knew that it was better for all the ground rods to be connected in a ring but assumed that if they were all connected to a central point differences in potential wouldn't be a problem. Faisal Imtiaz wrote: When you have multiple grounding rods at a site (e.g. for a tower ground, there

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Jay Weekley
I'm a lot more familiar with that scenario. Chuck McCown wrote: You have two or more grounding circuits that are not bonded together properly. Say one circuit for the tower and radio gear that goes into some ground rods and then the power company with their neutral and ground circuit. If

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread chuck
If I want facts I will give them to you. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 10:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business I dont need facts and statistics to be hypercritical and judgemental with a slight hint of

Re: [AFMUG] VMWare Etc

2015-12-30 Thread Matt
https://openvz.org/Quick_installation_of_Virtuozzo_7 Anyone using Virtuozzo 7 yet? Is this what replaces Openvz in future? On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Matt wrote: > Is there a free version of VMWare? What are limitations vs paid? How > do you manage

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread Bill Prince
That's as good as, or better than NASA when they were starting up. bp On 12/30/2015 9:17 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: There's been 14 Falcon 9 launches with 13 successful and 1 failure. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Jay Weekley
What is split grounding? Faisal Imtiaz wrote: one of the most classic examples of a 'split ground' situation is when you loose gear with rain during hot days (first rains after dry season). Because there is rain involved most folks chalk this off to 'Lightning' ... in reality it is not, it is

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
And in the world of grounding, 1 ohm is high resistance. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 10:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance When you have multiple grounding rods at a site (e.g. for a tower ground, there should be a

Re: [AFMUG] VMWare Etc

2015-12-30 Thread Mike Hammett
ProxMox moved from OpenVZ to LXC, which is in the standard Linux kernel. ProxMox still also has KVM. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Matt"

Re: [AFMUG] AP inside a metal enclosure

2015-12-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Any of our usual suspect gear get uppity if there is close by 2.4? On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote: > I don't know if you'd toast the AP, but you severely cut down on range. I > have a couple 951's in steel job Boxes for this purpose, and I can get >

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
Not only up, but down too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCBE8ocOkAQ From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business holy cow!! they got one up On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Joshua

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
I have always believed most surges come in on the power, not via the tower. But the tower and building grounding are where they are looking to go and once they get into a weak grounding circuit they hit everything. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:25 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
holy cow!! they got one up On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Joshua Stump wrote: > Umm. yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4 > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:11 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Does spaced actually do anything

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
When you have multiple grounding rods at a site (e.g. for a tower ground, there should be a ring around the tower base, with multiple ground rods, they should all be connected together, i.e ring, and different tower legs should be connected to the different ground rods (don't forget the guy

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I dont need facts and statistics to be hypercritical and judgemental with a slight hint of asshole :-) On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > There's been 14 Falcon 9 launches with 13 successful and 1 failure. > > ~Seth > -- If you only see yourself as

Re: [AFMUG] VMWare Etc

2015-12-30 Thread Paul Stewart
So you touched on something here I wanted to highlight … in Enterprise environments I would suggest the VmWare dominates by a significant amount. But in SP environments I don’t see much of it – definitely a lot of Xen (Citrix Xen Server to be specific). By SP I’m also including cloud

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread Joshaven Mailing Lists
You crack me up! Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com > On Dec 30, 2015, at 12:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > wrote: > > I dont need facts and statistics to be hypercritical and judgemental

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Joshaven Mailing Lists
Chuck, what is your reaction to this device: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00390G3YA?psc=1=true_=ox_sc_sfl_title_3=ATVPDKIKX0DER I’ve been thinking about purchasing it hoping that it will be a nice

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread chuck
That will do just fine for the three rod decline of potential method. But I am too cheap. I just use my trusty old fluke 87, car battery and my hp 48G calculator. From: Joshaven Mailing Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 11:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

[AFMUG] OT:electric smoker fueled woodgas generator to run the smoker

2015-12-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Alot of you guys are engineering geeks. The old lady got me an electric smoker for christmas, our recent power outages have me concerned that i may not be able to smoke things with it. This thing I estimate pulls about 1300 watts. If I converted a 1500 watt gas generator to run off woodgas, would

Re: [AFMUG] OT:electric smoker fueled woodgas generator to run thesmoker

2015-12-30 Thread chuck
No, woodgas will not give you full rate power from a piston engine. You would need a larger generator. And I don’t think you will be getting enough smoke (ake Carbon Monoxide, that is what they run on, the oxygen starved combustion products of a wood or charcoal fire). Be fun to try though.

[AFMUG] OT Lunch

2015-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
Hamburger Helper with hash browns and cheese sauce! Haven’t had this in years. Couldn’t find it at the store. My wife found some today...

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino!

2015-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeah, but you are not nearly as lazy as I am. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino! I would On Dec 30, 2015 2:54 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: I dunno, not sure I want to work that hard... From:

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino!

2015-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
thanks guys! im hubbled  Sent from Outlook Mobile On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 2:53 PM -0800, "Chuck McCown" wrote: Yeah, but you are not nearly as lazy as I am.   From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino!

2015-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
Me too! From: Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino! thanks guys! im hubbled Sent from Outlook Mobile On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 2:53 PM -0800, "Chuck McCown" wrote: Yeah, but you are not

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch

2015-12-30 Thread Ken Hohhof
Did you put Hamburger in that? Or just the Helper? We used to tell our kids to study hard and get a good job or they’d be eating Hamburger Helper without the Hamburger. (And without the hash browns and cheese sauce. My son would happily live on hash browns and cheese.) From: Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Joshaven Mailing Lists
This is good stuff. When replying I was worried that I was gonna get smeared for being that little voice in the background that keeps bringing up the grounding discussion. It seems to always be the story that operators already have things grounded “properly” yet keep getting destroyed by

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino!

2015-12-30 Thread Ty Featherling
+1 -Ty On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > Doesn’t surprise me. > > I would work for Gino! > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of * > can...@believewireless.net > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:17 PM > *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino!

2015-12-30 Thread Chuck McCown
I dunno, not sure I want to work that hard... From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino! Doesn’t surprise me. I would work for Gino! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino!

2015-12-30 Thread Jaime Solorza
I would On Dec 30, 2015 2:54 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I dunno, not sure I want to work that hard... > > *From:* Sterling Jacobson > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:44 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino! > > > Doesn’t

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread George Skorup
I know in one instance they claimed it was the farming chemicals in the soil that corroded the anchors. Apparently the insurance co bought the story. On 12/30/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yeah, one big one fell across I-80 near her a few years ago. I am surprised you can get insurance

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino!

2015-12-30 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Doesn’t surprise me. I would work for Gino! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino! Gino was kind enough to show me around his operation in Puerto Rico. Looks like a

Re: [AFMUG] Everykey

2015-12-30 Thread Simon Westlake
Hopefully he can make it a reality, even if he is crazy. Everyone really needs a better solution than passwords. On Dec 30, 2015 10:54 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > John McAfee's latest venture. > > https://everykey.com/ > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFNRkd1g-kg >

Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Moisture Wetness Sensor

2015-12-30 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
If there is, I can’t find anything like that on Packetflux’s website. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 19:12 To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Moisture Wetness Sensor Uhmm isn't there a voltage output humidity

Re: [AFMUG] VMWare Etc

2015-12-30 Thread Paul Stewart
Interesting views… and in my opinion they are all correct to some degree. What I mean, and was mentioned at some point, is that everyone has different requirements. Our requirements center around scaling (something that Ryan is pointing out here) where for his needs and budget ESXi is

Re: [AFMUG] VMWare Etc

2015-12-30 Thread Mike Hammett
I think Windows shops primarily use vSphere and Hyper-V (I know others can be used, but they aren't the majority). Linux shops use ESXi and {insert one of dozens of other virtualization systems here}. I use ProxMox and vSphere. ProxMox 4 moved from OpenVZ to LXC, which is supported in

Re: [AFMUG] VMWare Etc

2015-12-30 Thread Josh Baird
My personal opinion is that vSphere is dominant, but mainly because I'm familiar with it and it's proven in our environment (we run 150+ hosts). Getting all of the 'enterprise' features is not cheap. We also run Hyper-V on an even larger number of hosts and it seems to work well. If I was to

Re: [AFMUG] Elon Muck trying to get into the WISP business

2015-12-30 Thread Joshua Stump
Umm. yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4 On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:11 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Does spaced actually do anything besides blow up rockets? > On Dec 29, 2015 11:52 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >> >>

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

2015-12-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
one of the most classic examples of a 'split ground' situation is when you loose gear with rain during hot days (first rains after dry season). Because there is rain involved most folks chalk this off to 'Lightning' ... in reality it is not, it is due to Tower Ground, Bldg Ground and Power