Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread George Skorup
Sorry, that should've been *does not* help with the on-channel noise. On 3/24/2016 12:23 AM, George Skorup wrote: Just like all the other 450 gear. 125Mbps in a 20MHz channel. And that's at 256QAM. Assuming every customer is absolutely perfect. Never happens. The difference with the 450i is

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread George Skorup
If you do 6 sectors, you're using the entire band and have nowhere to go when one or two sectors is experiencing interference. Or you have to drop down to 5MHz channel bandwidth which sucks. This is why we do 4x90 clusters. Two channels with wiggle room. Of course that's FSK's 8MHz channel

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Very suspicious of any antenna manufacturer that doesn't publish an RF plot showing lobe sizes & directions, for azimuth and elevation. Even ubnt does it! On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Well, if you want small... there's these, I'm not sure I'd

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
No, I’m not complaining, I’ll use them. I’ll figure out how to hide them. Still trying to figure out the deployment strategy on a typical tower. I have some learnin’ to do. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:08 PM To: af

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, if you want small... there's these, I'm not sure I'd want to try doing channel re-use with them though. http://itelite.net/en/Katalog/900-MHz//SEC-XL0911DP.html On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Any 900 sector is going to be huge > > On

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Jason McKemie
Yes, I'm thinking they sorted that out after the whole Roadster bricking fiasco. On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I'm assuming for a moment that Tesla are not complete idiots and aren't > allowing the lithium ion 18650 cells in the powerwall to drain to

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Any 900 sector is going to be huge On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’m specifically interested in the 900Mhz, I thought that was the 450i, I > didn’t know it covered 5.8GHz also.I also need maximum bandwidth off > the tower although I don’t

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
I’m specifically interested in the 900Mhz, I thought that was the 450i, I didn’t know it covered 5.8GHz also.I also need maximum bandwidth off the tower although I don’t know tower or other mounting locations yet to determine if I need 360 degrees. I actually have more problems with

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
They are testing their next generation. Could have called us and saved $50M dollars. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article For now. From: Ken

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
If you guys are talking about the 900mhz 450i 65 degree. Straight from the horse’s mouth is the 65 and the 90 are the same antenna. Just more role off to achieve the 90. I have tested it outside of the 65 degree but within the 90. I was not happy with the results. One customer had to be put

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I'm assuming for a moment that Tesla are not complete idiots and aren't allowing the lithium ion 18650 cells in the powerwall to drain to 0%, and that it actually has a low voltage disconnect cutoff around 25%. Saying all batteries are the same, whether lead acid of li-ion, isn't really

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/23/16 8:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: One of the drawings show it as just a battery, no inverter. It also says 100% depth of discharge. Yeah, just a battery with a brain, basically. I would expect something like to the battery controller in their cars. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
One of the drawings show it as just a battery, no inverter. It also says 100% depth of discharge. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS? On 3/23/16 8:48 PM, Seth Mattinen

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Oh wait, I thought for a second that was 50kWh per HOUR. I get it now. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS? On average. You use $220/month. Your RMP blended

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Hard to tell. But the calculator has you pick the load you want to plug into it. And the only way you can save money is if you have time of day rates. From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS? Oh,

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/23/16 8:48 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 3/23/16 6:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: There's not a lot of technical information available about them, don't they have an integrated sinewave DC-to-AC inverter? No; it's just a smart battery pack with thermal control and CAN bus or modbus for comms.

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Oh, so maybe they used tricky marketing. For some reason it looked like you plugged the Orison into the wall and it magically powered everything around it from just that one plug. Are you saying it has outlets to plug other stuff in to? If so, then I guess I just bought myself a pretty looking

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
It won’t. It has batts. All batts die with cycles and die quicker if they are deeply cycled. It is a nice package and much easier for folks to purchase and install. But it isn’t good for much IMHO. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The 10kWh version was just cancelled, it's been in the technology press in the last few days. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > I think they have two versions of powerwall? > > One that floats as backup mostly, and another that is solar fed and

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Sterling Jacobson
I think they have two versions of powerwall? One that floats as backup mostly, and another that is solar fed and drains many cycles? Would those be two diferent battery types in them then? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:48 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/23/16 6:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: There's not a lot of technical information available about them, don't they have an integrated sinewave DC-to-AC inverter? No; it's just a smart battery pack with thermal control and CAN bus or modbus for comms. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Sterling Jacobson
What are you doing that uses 50 kWh/day? Is that to charge your car? That can’t be normal. I think my power bill is around $220 a month, what is my average kWh/day based on that? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:39 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The thing is... Calculating lead acid batteries as 30 or 15 cents per kWh to purchase doesn't take into account lifecycle cost. If the lead acid batteries are only good for 800 to 1000 cycles, absolute maximum, and the competing battery option is twice as expensive but lasts for 4000 or 5000

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
7/5=1.4 hours at full load. Batts are about 30 cents per watt hour for AGM, half that for flooded cells. Inverters are about 25 cents per watt. 7kWh battery == $1125 –$2250 5 kW inverter == $1250 Put it on your critical loads. Charge the batts with a rectifier that is fed from commercial

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
The best part of a parliament system. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list I think you guys would be amazed by a Canadian federal election. There's usually 2-3 months of lead up time to a vote being called, in

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
If you pull up the calculator, it is nothing but a UPS for your selected loads. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS? There's a lot of marketing fluff there and not much technical info. I'm not sure

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
For now. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article Vivint broadband is kaput? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article Yes, solar is separate

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
2.2 kWh Batts of that size would cost $700 1.8 kW inverter. That would cost $450 They plan to sell it for $1700. And they are not saying that this can pull the one single load for one hour. It will store about 25 cents worth of power. Tesla is 7 kWh. I use about 50 kWh/day. Tesla would

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

2016-03-23 Thread Josh Reynolds
Hey, i tried to do that just the other day! :P I figured with all of the stuff going on, appending tags in the title is probably the best way to help people auto-filter. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Paul McCall wrote: > Been hitting mass delete a TON lately. I was going

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Jason McKemie
Surprise surprise. On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Vivint broadband is kaput? > > *From:* Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:55 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread Mathew Howard
If I remember correctly, it's 65 at -3dB, so it's basically what is usually sold as a 90 degree these days (-6dB). On Mar 23, 2016 10:10 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > There's an OEM 90*... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St >

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

2016-03-23 Thread Paul McCall
Been hitting mass delete a TON lately. I was going to suggest that anything political gets prepended with POLITICAL: simply to make it super easy to delete the “stuff”. But, that’s just my opinion and not my list. Paul ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Well, Bullit was just the opposite. Yeah, lately the threads have been long but I have been one of the worst offenders. I prefer this place to be self policing. From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list Yeah, I

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Jason said she punched like a girl. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah] Hahahaha, should we ask who won? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread Josh Luthman
There's an OEM 90*... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 23, 2016 11:06 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > I looked at the 450i and noticed the sector antenna is 65 degrees. Does > that mean a typical tower

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Josh Reynolds
Hell Google is doing 28/37/39 from frickin baloons. BALLONS! :P On Mar 23, 2016 10:04 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > Vivint is retooling, investigating 60GHz. I’m not sure on what planet > that makes sense from either a financial or technical position for > residential but

[AFMUG] Cambium 450i

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
I looked at the 450i and noticed the sector antenna is 65 degrees. Does that mean a typical tower installation uses 6 antennas? In that scenario, I'm assuming 10MHz channels if there is no interference. In that scenario, what is the available bandwidth per AP assuming most users get pretty

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
Vivint is retooling, investigating 60GHz. I’m not sure on what planet that makes sense from either a financial or technical position for residential but it might make sense for businesses in certain situation. I’m looking at one right now but I believe it’s more of the exception than the

Re: [AFMUG] AC Speed Options

2016-03-23 Thread Ken Hohhof
I’m not sure. Customer talks like the first, website sounds like the second. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC Speed Options It uses 2Mbps upstream 24x7 or just when it's actively in use by the app? On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Cameron Crum
The security scam ... er.. um..business seems to still be kicking. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Vivint broadband is kaput? > > *From:* Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:55 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I think you guys would be amazed by a Canadian federal election. There's usually 2-3 months of lead up time to a vote being called, in which the political parties get all their stuff organized and ready just in case. Then the actual election/campaign period goes for between 25 to 45 days,

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
There's a lot of marketing fluff there and not much technical info. I'm not sure how it can safely or legally feed power "backwards" into the same 120V 15A circuit it's plugged into, particularly during an outage if a house does not have a grid disconnect permanently installed. More likely the

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Ken Hohhof
Vivint broadband is kaput? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article Yes, solar is separate division. Solar was going to sell, but the buyer has some questionable financials so the deal died. Vivint broadband died due

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Sterling Jacobson
I purchased one of these to play with: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ericclifton/orison-rethink-the-power-of-energy I’m not sure exactly how they work their magic, but you should just be able to plug it into the same power strip and it will charge, and supply power in case of an outage?

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

2016-03-23 Thread George Skorup
Yeah, I just collapse whole threads and hit delete in Thunderchicken. Meh. But I'd say that I'd agree with Steve, and add that there are vendor reps on the list that probably don't want to read all the OT crap. Maybe they care, maybe not, I don't know. And this is still Chuck's list. I think

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

2016-03-23 Thread Craig House
I agree. I find it amusing if I have time to read them but most of the time I just purge in mass anything I am not interested in. Anyone that would get butt hurt and decide to leave the list is mostly only doing themselves harm. But by the same token, I'd hate to see anyone leave over it. I

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

2016-03-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Honestly I'm tired of it but it's so easy to hit delete, who cares? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 23, 2016 10:04 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > It seems politics is consuming a lot of

[AFMUG] Politics on the list

2016-03-23 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I personally enjoy it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I am concerned it could turn south. This is the only industry mechanism I have for quick and dirty advice so I am fearful it could devolve into something ugly or useless

Re: [AFMUG] AC Speed Options

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
It uses 2Mbps upstream 24x7 or just when it's actively in use by the app? On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 6:07 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > I had a call from someone yesterday wanting a minimum of 2 Mbps upstream > for his Ring video doorbell, I wasn’t clear whether that was for 2 >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

2016-03-23 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Oh the days of yore On Mar 23, 2016 8:35 PM, "can...@believewireless.net" < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > I remember the term "thick skin" being a badge of honor... > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
There's not a lot of technical information available about them, don't they have an integrated sinewave DC-to-AC inverter? I could be wrong but I believe they output AC. Assuming a typical installation for their target market, residential, do they require purchase of a separate DC-to-AC

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting deep equipment in NEMA enclosures

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Wow that is expensive. I've seen whole 24U+ sized NEMA4 rated weatherproof racks (actual 19" racks) sold for less than $1000... yes they take up more space, but for example:

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Bill Prince
Only hassle is that they are 450 volts (or in that neighborhood). Big challenge finding DC-DC converters for that, or maybe go back to battery-inverter-DC power supply design. bp On 3/23/2016 6:45 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: $3000 is not so bad for something that can

[AFMUG] Tesla 7kWh powerwall as UPS?

2016-03-23 Thread Eric Kuhnke
$3000 is not so bad for something that can deliver up to 5kW for multiple hours... http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/tesla-powerwall-home-installations-are-starting-for-pilot-customers/ I am interested to see the results of integrating two of these in parallel with an off grid solar array.

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
Hahahaha, should we ask who won? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah] Someday, if you get the chance, ask Jason Petrillo about his fist fight with a pair of

Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

2016-03-23 Thread can...@believewireless.net
I remember the term "thick skin" being a badge of honor... On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory University are being scarred for > life my someone writing Trump 2016 on the walls with chalk. My heck, we > better get

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Someday, if you get the chance, ask Jason Petrillo about his fist fight with a pair of lesbians at a Benihana. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:20 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah] And she can kick Trumps ass in the ring On Mar 23, 2016 7:11

[AFMUG] OT: media introspection re: "Party People"

2016-03-23 Thread Bill Prince
I thought this was quite good. The whole thing is 50 minutes, but it's broken into 5 parts. The first part discusses the media's love/hate relationship with Trump, which leads into the second part which discusses America's difficulty with "class" distinctions. The third segment discusses the

[AFMUG] OT Emory University

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory University are being scarred for life my someone writing Trump 2016 on the walls with chalk. My heck, we better get some bubbles for them to live in and make sure all hard surfaces are covered with a thick foam rubber coating. College students

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
And she can kick Trumps ass in the ring On Mar 23, 2016 7:11 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I think autocorrect might have been involved in mine... > > *From:* Bill Prince > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:09 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re:

Re: [AFMUG] White label data cards

2016-03-23 Thread Bill Prince
Yeah. I've actually met & talked to both of them in the same meeting. They don't exactly look alike either. bp On 3/23/2016 6:05 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Jay weekly and Jay fuller are two different people On Mar 23, 2016 6:05 PM, "Jay Weekley"

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
I think autocorrect might have been involved in mine... From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah] Are you guys talking about Rachel Maddow? She describes herself as an Eisenhower era Republican. bp

Re: [AFMUG] White label data cards

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
but you doesn't hasta call me Johnson From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] White label data cards Jay weekly and Jay fuller are two different people On Mar 23, 2016 6:05 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Bill Prince
Are you guys talking about Rachel Maddow? She describes herself as an Eisenhower era Republican. bp On 3/23/2016 5:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Well, it is well known that Rachael Meadow has blood coming out of her eyes and other places... *From:* Sean Heskett

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I find the watermelon analogy quite racist. Not all us south of 80ers are watermelon seed spitting red necks On Mar 23, 2016 10:51 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > It’s like you want a cheeseburger and someone offers you the choice of > watermelon, cantaloupe, or kiwi fruit. None of

Re: [AFMUG] White label data cards

2016-03-23 Thread Sean Heskett
Yeah I thought the same thing...what gives?!?! -Sean On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jay weekly and Jay fuller are two different people > On Mar 23, 2016 6:05 PM, "Jay Weekley"

Re: [AFMUG] White label data cards

2016-03-23 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Jay weekly and Jay fuller are two different people On Mar 23, 2016 6:05 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote: > We have. Jay Fuller actually spearheaded that project. > > John Woodfield wrote: > >> >> Has anyone been able to offer a cell data option to customers who you >> can't

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Well, it is well known that Rachael Meadow has blood coming out of her eyes and other places... From: Sean Heskett ok here's fox news finally admitting to it also...since you probably don't like rachel meadow and msnbc

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Yes, solar is separate division. Solar was going to sell, but the buyer has some questionable financials so the deal died. Vivint broadband died due to a crappy homegrown radio platform. They may be trying to retool but they lost some good talent. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Wednesday, March

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Josh Reynolds
Interesting... https://www.reddit.com/r/cordcutters/comments/2iw3ts/not_google_fiber_but_itll_do_new_vivint_wireless/ http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Vivint-Pulls-Out-of-Nevada-After-Only-Two-Weeks-in-the-State

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
Is it the same division? I thought the solar division was sold off. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:37 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article I don't see their trucks much anymore. Lots of 28GHz

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Ken Hohhof
Hard to believe someone loaned them that much money. I wonder what the interest rate worked out to. Also, won’t Trump’s wall block the sun a good part of the year? Or maybe install solar panels on the wall. They would have to be on the Mexican side though. From: Jaime Solorza Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*********, Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)
Look at that on year chart! That is a hell of a short to the end. 200 million loan will probably wipe out shareholder value. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online:

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
I don't see their trucks much anymore. Lots of 28GHz stuff still around strange On Mar 23, 2016 6:31 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > > http://247wallst.com/energy-business/2016/03/22/vivint-solar-secures-200-million-loan/ > ? > > > > Is Vivint Internet done by a separate

[AFMUG] Interesting article

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
http://247wallst.com/energy-business/2016/03/22/vivint-solar-secures-200-million-loan/? Is Vivint Internet done by a separate division? And did the solar division take a dive because of tax subsidies being reduced. Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040

Re: [AFMUG] FSK IN SESSION (ICC)?

2016-03-23 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
25 is the primary. I rebooted the SM and it registered with no RED ICC this time. Strange…. In addition, I was dealing with two FSK on 13.4 and the rest on 13.4.1 and my 450i on 14.4.1. The two on the 13.4 apparently did not upgrade on my late night work session. I had SMs dropping on the

Re: [AFMUG] FSK IN SESSION (ICC)?

2016-03-23 Thread Bill Prince
What color code is on the SM? bp On 3/23/2016 4:55 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: Strange it�s a 10.5 SM on a 13.4.1 AP with installer color code disabled on the AP and not an option on the SM. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net

Re: [AFMUG] FSK IN SESSION (ICC)?

2016-03-23 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Strange it’s a 10.5 SM on a 13.4.1 AP with installer color code disabled on the AP and not an option on the SM. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
That was a complete falsehood that was brought forth as the defense to misdirect the blame. The State Department told the Committee, a woman, can’t remember her name but I watched her testimony, that said budget never came into the decision. The two issues were simply that the State

Re: [AFMUG] New style cambium POE rj-45's popping out

2016-03-23 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Only one but I have only installed a handful. Most are still running old style power supplies as we just swapped equipment outside and moved on. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On

Re: [AFMUG] FSK IN SESSION (ICC)?

2016-03-23 Thread Bill Prince
Installation Color Code bp On 3/23/2016 4:47 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: Ok so what is this ICC in red I see on this SM? I think I have seen it before but don�t remember what or why. 10 IN SESSION (Encrypt Disabled) CANOPY 10.5

[AFMUG] FSK IN SESSION (ICC)?

2016-03-23 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Ok so what is this ICC in red I see on this SM? I think I have seen it before but don't remember what or why. 10 IN SESSION (Encrypt Disabled) CANOPY 10.5 111010 (DES, Sched, US/ETSI) P10 IN SESSION (ICC) (Encrypt Disabled) CANOPY 10.5 111010 (DES, Sched, US/ETSI) P10 IN

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Sean Heskett
um Rory, the republican congress in it's infinite wisdom turned down secretary clinton's budget request to increase security for the embassies and especially these smaller consulates...instead they decreased the budget by $296 million and lo and behold one was attacked and people died! so where

Re: [AFMUG] White label data cards

2016-03-23 Thread Jay Weekley
We have. Jay Fuller actually spearheaded that project. John Woodfield wrote: Has anyone been able to offer a cell data option to customers who you can't qualify for fixed service? John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi

[AFMUG] White label data cards

2016-03-23 Thread John Woodfield
Has anyone been able to offer a cell data option to customers who you can't qualify for fixed service? John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] AT using 2.3GHz WCS Band 30

2016-03-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Cool On Mar 23, 2016 2:32 PM, "Andreas Wiatowski" wrote: > Jamie, > > > > We use 2300Mhz under licence here in Canada… ….you can use 2310@10Mhz and > 2355@10Mhz... That’s it. > > > > We also have filters that are required and that we use on our eNODEB’s as > a

Re: [AFMUG] AT using 2.3GHz WCS Band 30

2016-03-23 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
Jamie, We use 2300Mhz under licence here in Canada… ….you can use 2310@10Mhz and 2355@10Mhz... That’s it. We also have filters that are required and that we use on our eNODEB’s as a requirement. I believe that it is known as Band 40… at least here in Canada. Cheers,

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Josh Reynolds
The voting areas that were her base of power (primarily the southern states) had their primaries first. Time will tell how things go. I'd say at this point she has the lead, but Sanders is going to give her fits outside of her "power belt". On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Bill Prince

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Ken Hohhof
I about fell off my chair, I saw an analysis that said Mormons tend to be better educated and have more money than your typical Trump supporter, and that they also value "being nice". Also that half of LDS Church members are outside the US (and growing), many in Mexico. Many reasons for them

Re: [AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver

2016-03-23 Thread Josh Reynolds
Installing it on a new stack today, will let you know... On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Matt wrote: > Are you using Proxmox 4.x yet? My experience with it has not been all > that great. Proxmox 3.x I think will be EOL before long though. > > > > On Tue, Mar 22,

Re: [AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver

2016-03-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I had some problems with snapshots in 4.x, but an update fixed that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 23,

Re: [AFMUG] AC Speed Options

2016-03-23 Thread Paul McCall
I have to laugh at the Ring Doorbell commercial. The odds of someone wanting to break in your house that rings the doorbell first is low. I know there is some benefit but the commercial paints as a surefire way to answer remotely, lie to the ringer that you are home, and poof, no more

[AFMUG] AT using 2.3GHz WCS Band 30

2016-03-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
They expanded their 1700 and 2100 LTE service with 2.3GHz they bought from Nextwave or Nextgen. Isnt XM or Sirius on 2377MHz ? And I know across border lots of Ubnt radios in 2300 to 2400MHz ...

Re: [AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver

2016-03-23 Thread Matt
Are you using Proxmox 4.x yet? My experience with it has not been all that great. Proxmox 3.x I think will be EOL before long though. On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > In Cermak there are many places you can't get more power, so there's the > lost

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Something is only political if the situation turned out bad. If they did bad and you call them out on it, you're being political. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett"

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
This is an old story and only partially true. The problem is the Republican base wants an explanation for why these Americans died and why nobody in the administration and the State Department did their job before and during, and then lied afterwards. Some Republicans have that opinion. The

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway
There are 20+ emails that were clearly classified so high, some of the people investigating this can’t even see them, and that was way before they were sent. In addition, there are 30,000 emails she deleted which nobody ever saw. Newsweek is not exactly an impartial source on this and clearly

Re: [AFMUG] [political] [utah]

2016-03-23 Thread Sean Heskett
Hey Rory, Another Republican admits: Benghazi panel is political http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/another-republican-admits-benghazi-panel-political just sayin' ok here's fox news finally admitting to it also...since you probably don't like rachel meadow and msnbc

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting deep equipment in NEMA enclosures

2016-03-23 Thread Josh Baird
Holy crap, those are expensive. Yeah, the MiniFort is a good option, but the only rackmount devices are the router/switch. I DIN mount everything else. I know I can get DIN shelves for 19" racks, but they are sort of annoying. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting deep equipment in NEMA enclosures

2016-03-23 Thread Josh Baird
Yeah, I saw that one. It get's you ~10" of depth on the inside. The CCR is ~7.5" in depth (according to the specs). This leaves a LITTLE bit of room, but you also have to consider any copper/fiber connections on the router taking up more depth. It may work, though. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at

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