Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

2018-05-14 Thread Darin Steffl
Customers are spoiled nowadays with many of our users doing 25-40 GB of usage per DAY. So if they were paying $10/GB, their cellular bill after one day would be $250 to $400 per day based on their usage on our unlimited plans with fixed wireless today. Some want to complain if they are down a

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

2018-05-14 Thread Jon Lee
You can take a look at Project Fi (Google) $10 per Gig and they will give you 10 SIM cards for free. They use several different carriers for service. Just my ¢2 and that's about what it's worth. -Jon On Mon, May 14, 2018, 2:02 PM Paul McCall wrote: > We want to start

Re: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

2018-05-14 Thread Chuck McCown
I have run many spans of stuff called Rural C wire down country roads. It is about the same size as flat fiber drop. You do want to put twists in the span to keep it from dancing in the wind. I cannot think of a reason for a 3 span limit. I know of no limit unless it has to do with the way

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system

2018-05-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >> Why could you not use DWDM SFPs into a CWDM mux if you spaced them out? They >> are >> about $150 cheaper. You can.. if designed properly... As a matter of fact, there is a valid way of stacking DWDM mux behind a

[AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

2018-05-14 Thread Jason McKemie
I'm looking at running flat drop down a country road, possibly on poles. The specs I've read say not to run more than 3 spans for some reason. Has anyone done this? Is their better attachment hardware than wedge clamps for this application? Thanks. Jason

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system

2018-05-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Hmmm. I wonder if DWDM mux equipment has filters or something in it. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system You can, but we ran into compatability issues with 10G DWDM SFPs where the CWDM version worked fine,

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Looking for Trango 11GHz ODU

2018-05-14 Thread George Skorup
Thanks, but don't bother. We're probably just going to replace that link with AF-11's or something. On 5/14/2018 6:34 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Let me check On 5/14/18, 3:16 PM, "Af on behalf of George Skorup"

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Trango 11GHz ODU

2018-05-14 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Let me check On 5/14/18, 3:16 PM, "Af on behalf of George Skorup" wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

2018-05-14 Thread Colin Stanners
I don't think it's worth it. Small-package customers won't pay enough for a cellular backup (considering the costs if some of them do 5-20GB of Netflix over the weekend). For larger package customers it's usually cheaper for you to install a redundant link to a second tower or even pay a

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

2018-05-14 Thread TJ Trout
I would guess that $10/GB is the best you will do unless you want to roll it out to 10,000 customers then you might have better buying power with one of the carriers... On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 3:32 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > Yeah, you want affordable cellular data in bulk, which

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

2018-05-14 Thread TJ Trout
Yeah, you want affordable cellular data in bulk, which doesn't exist. On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Paul McCall wrote: > Looking for a 4g LTE solution that won’t kill me if several customers on a > tower (that have the devices) start using it over a weekend while the tower

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system

2018-05-14 Thread Chris Fabien
You can, but we ran into compatability issues with 10G DWDM SFPs where the CWDM version worked fine, with fiberstore generic SFPs in mikrotik and Planet equipment. On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Why could you not use DWDM SFPs into a CWDM mux if you

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system

2018-05-14 Thread Colin Stanners
Unless the DWDM SFPs can be set to wavelengths quite outside their normal range, you could only use 2-3 of them in a CWDM system I believe? On Mon, May 14, 2018, 5:10 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > Why could you not use DWDM SFPs into a CWDM mux if you spaced them out? > They are

[AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system

2018-05-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Why could you not use DWDM SFPs into a CWDM mux if you spaced them out? They are about $150 cheaper.

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

2018-05-14 Thread Paul McCall
Looking for a 4g LTE solution that won’t kill me if several customers on a tower (that have the devices) start using it over a weekend while the tower is down. These 2 look to be suitable for tower mgmt., but not necessarily a customer option (redundancy) at scale From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

2018-05-14 Thread TJ Trout
twilio or hologram.io might fit the bill, mikrotik w/ lte dongle or a netgear dual wan LTE router is the way to go for seemless failover On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Paul McCall wrote: > We want to start offering our rural customers an LTE option as an on > demand backup

[AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

2018-05-14 Thread Paul McCall
We want to start offering our rural customers an LTE option as an on demand backup service. I know Ting is commonly used, although it looks like $ 10 / GB is their cost. Seems a little high. Verizon has some interesting plans once you talk to the right people, and their JetPack device is

Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

2018-05-14 Thread Rory Conaway
We have some very hard rains during monsoon seasons. The AF24 will go down at 2.5m with the heaviest of rains for up to 30 minutes twice a year. That same rain won’t take down the AF24 at 2 miles though. We are banking on the B24 to be solid like that at about ½ mile less. Rory From: Af

[AFMUG] Looking for Trango 11GHz ODU

2018-05-14 Thread George Skorup
Anybody have a Trango ApexPlus-11 or even GigaPlus ODU that's sub-band 6 Tx high? I opened a ticket with Trango a couple hours ago to see if we could get a refurb'd ODU, but they haven't responded yet. I've already asked locally, nobody has anything.

Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

2018-05-14 Thread George Skorup
Got two PTP550 connectorized links up. Single 40MHz channels, no bonding. 75/25 TDD split. Getting random session drops on 4.1.1-RC1. Slave GUI stops responding under heavy traffic (pushing about 175 downlink). Going to try RC4 later today if I have time and see what happens. On 5/14/2018

Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

2018-05-14 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
They’ve made a major software update, but all the bells and whistles aren’t there yet. Jeff Broadwick 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On May 14, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Dave wrote: > > Has anyone deployed the new cambium ptp550 radio yet? if

Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

2018-05-14 Thread Dave
Has anyone deployed the new cambium ptp550 radio yet? if so what are you seeing? On 05/14/2018 10:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Yes, you can get 2-ish miles out of 24ghz reasonably well, but I wouldn't go anywhere near that far with a Mimosa B24 link - keep in mind that these are tiny

Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

2018-05-14 Thread Mathew Howard
Yes, you can get 2-ish miles out of 24ghz reasonably well, but I wouldn't go anywhere near that far with a Mimosa B24 link - keep in mind that these are tiny antennas, not 2' dishes like you can get with some of the other radios out there. I haven't used a B24 yet, but I don't think I'd want to

Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

2018-05-14 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
I think what I will do is set-up the link… around 2km and back it up with an unlicensed to start. See how it handles the rain storms. We have lots of experience with AF24 but this new product, not at all. Thanks all. Cheers, Andreas Wiatowski, CEO Silo Wireless Inc. 1-866-727-4138 x-600