Re: [AFMUG] Solar powered SCADA system

2017-02-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
Let me check... On Feb 13, 2017 6:38 PM, "Seth Mattinen" wrote: > On 2/13/17 17:30, Jaime Solorza wrote: > >> This Phoenix Contact I/O radio will be handling water tank levels and >> stuff... Will be a simple box... Hope to get it installed this week, >> weather permitting..

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Bill Prince
There was a discussion about this 10 years ago. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/02/13/officials-were-warned-the-oroville-dam-emergency-spillway-wasnt-safe-they-didnt-listen/?utm_term=.6e5238eb1b88) bp On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Solar powered SCADA system

2017-02-13 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/13/17 17:30, Jaime Solorza wrote: This Phoenix Contact I/O radio will be handling water tank levels and stuff... Will be a simple box... Hope to get it installed this week, weather permitting.. Is that the 2901540?

Re: [AFMUG] Haitian Radiation

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
thats some hi res satellite, guvmint must have been curious On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Chris Wright wrote: > Just got back from Port-Au-Prince and took a trip up the mountain for > lunch last Friday. 19 towers in a 300’ radius. The view was nice though. J > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing in Mexico

2017-02-13 Thread Adam Moffett
In northern provinces of Mexico maybe it's "afford the bribe" -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/13/2017 4:42:17 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing in Mexico Nobody needs a license as long as they can afford the

Re: [AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing in Mexico

2017-02-13 Thread Adam Moffett
Nobody needs a license as long as they can afford the fine. -- Original Message -- From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 2/13/2017 4:36:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing in Mexico undocumented transmissions

Re: [AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing in Mexico

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
undocumented transmissions are fine On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 3:34 PM, wrote: > License! > License! > we don’t need no stinkin’ license! > > *From:* Chris Herrington > *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 12:06 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/13/17 11:49, Jason Wilson wrote: There are no Dams downstream. The Feather empties to the Sacramento River. There are a number a weirs on the Sacramento that have been opened to the Bypass (land designated and designed to flood, Farm land, Rice Paddies) to absorb additional flow that we

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Jason Wilson
There are no Dams downstream. The Feather empties to the Sacramento River. There are a number a weirs on the Sacramento that have been opened to the Bypass (land designated and designed to flood, Farm land, Rice Paddies) to absorb additional flow that we have experienced in the last month or so.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Jay Weekley
To bad it's water and not beer. I could take care of problem myself. Chuck McCown wrote: Good use for aging nukes. *From:* Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam O/T Physics question: What kind of energy would be

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown
I am waiting for $35... -Original Message- From: Jon Langeler Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Time to buy soon? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.

[AFMUG] UBNT

2017-02-13 Thread Jon Langeler
Time to buy soon? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown
I had to drive out of my way for months due to this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Scott_(criminal) I lived in Quincy when this happened. Almost happened on live TV, they have TV footage of him waling away from the breach he caused. -Original Message- From: Sam Morris

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Sam Morris
Here's a youtube video of Gavins Point releasing 160,000 cubic feet per second. They later had it running at nearly 200,000 cubic feet per second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N-22IVjn0M On 2/13/2017 1:30 PM, Sam Morris wrote: On 2/13/2017 10:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: I heard a

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Sam Morris
On 2/13/2017 10:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter... In 2011 when the Army Corps of

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
are they opening dams downstream? they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats placing the tile topside though On Mon, Feb 13,

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Robert Andrews
i.e Trump... I wanna be a "rainmaker" ? On 02/13/2017 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Good use for aging nukes. *From:* Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam O/T Physics question: What kind of energy would be

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Robert Andrews
Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete around the attachment points. Cavitation is a bitch... Right now they can't stop the flow. Also pretty much most of the spillway below the hole is gone,

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown
Good use for aging nukes. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam O/T Physics question: What kind of energy would be required to cause evaporation of some of the water? Would this be possible? On Feb 13, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
massive electrodes maybe but not likely anything to compare to actual flow i wonder if they couldnt get a couple hundred flexible field tile over the berms to siphon out the water On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > O/T Physics question: > > What

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Josh Reynolds
O/T Physics question: What kind of energy would be required to cause evaporation of some of the water? Would this be possible? On Feb 13, 2017 12:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch > plates over the hole in the

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown
Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles under the plates and open it back up. At least until they take some inches off the reservoir. I wonder if there is a way they can set the angle on the

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Robert Andrews
As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks, which looks like 4-5 sequential storms. We got a 4-5 day break in weather this

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS for non-redundant paths

2017-02-13 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Might depend more on your size than anything. MPLS in my small network is still great, but does add some complexity when setting up new endpoints and for debugging. I don't use TE yet, but it works well if you have the right equipment. Could be less work in the long run since you can just open

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
My daughter went to Berklee for a year, it’s a highly regarded music school. Oh wait, spelled different. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam Hey, Berkeley grads

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown
Hey, Berkeley grads can take classes about getting in touch with nature and the environment. Perhaps the dam spoke to him. Never doubt the value of a liberal arts education. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT -

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/oroville-dam-feds-and-state-officials-ignored-warnings-12-years-ago/ heres a shocker... a Berkeley graduate said its not going to be a problem On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Jeremy wrote: > Not a misprint. Check it out:

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Jeremy
Not a misprint. Check it out: https://youtu.be/98hkdz2kVAg On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > That sounds right. It would be the amount they are sending over the > damaged main spillway to avoid further damage to the emergency spillway > which was being

Re: [AFMUG] OT - schoolbus fire in Utah ...

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown
Naw, this was the 60s and 70s, seat belts would have interfered with certain romantic activities. -Original Message- From: Sam Morris Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 9:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - schoolbus fire in Utah ... On 1/28/2017 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Jason Wilson
100,000cfs is correct. That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs. It has been 10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time there were levee breaches. Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50 feet below the

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
That sounds right. It would be the amount they are sending over the damaged main spillway to avoid further damage to the emergency spillway which was being used for the first time since the dam was built in 1968. The amount flowing into the lake from recent rains is >100,000 cfs, and it has to

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
it sounds like more than it is, a football field with 1 foot of water on it is 57,000 cubic feet still alot On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was > doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I

Re: [AFMUG] OT - schoolbus fire in Utah ...

2017-02-13 Thread Sam Morris
On 1/28/2017 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: The main reason for a seat belt is to prevent you from being ejected. Being ejected is what kills people. In my memory school bus seats were not padded very well at all. Chuck, when you went to school, wouldn't they have needed to figure out how to

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Bill Prince
I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter... bp On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
remember when that tunnel collapsed under the chicago river they dropped everything in that hole, refrigerators, mattresses, garbage, everything. this repair was supposed to have been made 3 years ago i understand some infrastructure repairs get delayed, it happens but probably best to go ahead

[AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
So the "good news" is they're going to drop bags of rocks from helicopters? I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] odd mt behavior

2017-02-13 Thread Cameron Crum
Thanks. On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 7:04 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > When MT makes an ARP request I think it temporarily populates the table > with all zeroes while waiting for a response. Those don't hang around very > long though. > > You might do a packet capture to see if

Re: [AFMUG] 10G in x86 Mikrotik

2017-02-13 Thread Richard Strittmatter
On the Intel X520 cards, you can get optics from Fibrestore for cheap that work great. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G in x86 Mikrotik There is a

Re: [AFMUG] odd mt behavior

2017-02-13 Thread Adam Moffett
When MT makes an ARP request I think it temporarily populates the table with all zeroes while waiting for a response. Those don't hang around very long though. You might do a packet capture to see if there is actually a response with all zeroes or if someone is scanning every IP. but