Re: [AFMUG] CORRECTION: Wrong name, Mike Hammett. Sorry Matt.

[Mike Hammett]

You just won't give up, will you? 

I'm tempted to leave it just because it pisses you off. 

Since you crossed to another forum, a short explanation. 

Our web guy got a cool looking MMR picture off of a stock photo web site. As it 
turns out, it's in the Westin Building in Seattle. It's meant to portray 
interconnection, not that we are in the Westin Building. I've spoken with the 
guys at the Westin Building a few times about IXes, WISPs, etc. They've been to 
our web site because they were asking questions about different things we had. 
Nothing was said about the picture. 

Eric gets all bent of shape about it and I don't think anyone else really 
cares. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 6:39:37 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] CORRECTION: Wrong name, Mike Hammett. Sorry Matt. 


Too many names to memorize these days. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA

[Chuck McCown]

Just trying to make the alarm stop complaining now and then.  It gets annoying. 
 One way it can detect if it has a phone line is to see the on hook voltage.  
Use to be that fax machines would hang up if the line voltage went too low 
indicating someone else had picked up the line.  But low on hook voltage will 
fool these systems into thinking the line is busy.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA

It sounds like he's asking for a very specific tip/ring/onhook voltage to be 
compatible with the panel.

On Aug 4, 2017 6:14 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Don't they kinda all have to provide on-hook voltage, at perhaps limited 
current, for simple stuff like CID history displays..? My folks have old timey 
phones at home with telco powered caller ID displays. No wall warts. Of course 
they are still on Ma Bell, too.


  On 8/4/2017 6:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Nice, thanks.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 4:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA

Found the following for a Cisco SPA112 


On Aug 4, 2017 5:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  I'd start checking the docs on those Cisco SPA's

  On Aug 4, 2017 12:29 PM,  wrote:

Anyone know of an ATA that puts out 48 volts open circuit on the phone 
line?  I have a cranky fire alarm panel.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA

[Josh Reynolds]

It sounds like he's asking for a very specific tip/ring/onhook voltage to
be compatible with the panel.

On Aug 4, 2017 6:14 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Don't they kinda all have to provide on-hook voltage, at perhaps limited
> current, for simple stuff like CID history displays..? My folks have old
> timey phones at home with telco powered caller ID displays. No wall warts.
> Of course they are still on Ma Bell, too.
>
> On 8/4/2017 6:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Nice, thanks.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 4, 2017 4:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA
>
> Found the following for a Cisco SPA112
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2017 5:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> I'd start checking the docs on those Cisco SPA's
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2017 12:29 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know of an ATA that puts out 48 volts open circuit on the phone
>>> line?  I have a cranky fire alarm panel.
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] CORRECTION: Wrong name, Mike Hammett. Sorry Matt.

[Eric Kuhnke]

Too many names to memorize these days.

Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA

[George Skorup]

Don't they kinda all have to provide on-hook voltage, at perhaps limited 
current, for simple stuff like CID history displays..? My folks have old 
timey phones at home with telco powered caller ID displays. No wall 
warts. Of course they are still on Ma Bell, too.


On 8/4/2017 6:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Nice, thanks.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Friday, August 4, 2017 4:58 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA
Found the following for a Cisco SPA112
On Aug 4, 2017 5:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

I'd start checking the docs on those Cisco SPA's
On Aug 4, 2017 12:29 PM,  wrote:

Anyone know of an ATA that puts out 48 volts open circuit on
the phone line?  I have a cranky fire alarm panel.

Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA

[chuck]

Nice, thanks.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 4:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA

Found the following for a Cisco SPA112 


On Aug 4, 2017 5:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  I'd start checking the docs on those Cisco SPA's

  On Aug 4, 2017 12:29 PM,  wrote:

Anyone know of an ATA that puts out 48 volts open circuit on the phone 
line?  I have a cranky fire alarm panel.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT ATA

[Josh Reynolds]

I'd start checking the docs on those Cisco SPA's

On Aug 4, 2017 12:29 PM,  wrote:

> Anyone know of an ATA that puts out 48 volts open circuit on the phone
> line?  I have a cranky fire alarm panel.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Chris Fabien]

These are really nice little generators. We had a site lose access to
utility power (long story) and ran it off one of these Honda EU2000i for
about 3 months.

The factory gasoline models have a fuel pump and will suck fuel from a
large container as long as the system is air tight. We used a 12 gallon
boat gas tank and it would run about 6 days on 10 gallons of fuel with a
very light load (less than 50W). In ECO mode it will throttle down to a
pretty low RPM if you have a light load like this.

The spec is 100hour oil changes, I used high end synthetic oil and changed
the oil every other fueling, so every 300 hours approximately.

We had no problems with leaving the unit exposed to the rain with a normal
extension cord plugged in to the outlet.

We tried this with the $89 harbor freight 2-cycle generators too, they did
better than expected but only lasted usually 2-4 weeks before they failed.
Not bad for $89 though.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> 24-48 on a 20lb depending on load and whether its in ecomode
> I think this model spec sheet says it averages .7lb/hr, the one it
> replaced was smaller, we put a 40lb tank if its a weekend or bad storm
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Earlier he said 20lb tank for 48 hours.
>>
>> but on an inverter generator I'm sure it will vary with load.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/4/2017 3:47:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution.
>> Ironically I am babysitting a site right now that lost power.
>>
>> How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run time
>> do you get?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>>
>>
>>
>> They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated
>> with keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a
>> model with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.
>>
>> These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my
>> alero, the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators
>> collecting dust now
>>
>> Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is
>> alot of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your
>> engine guts either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here
>> nobody will top off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short
>> runs are irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off
>> from our office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and
>> insuring that is expensive.
>>
>> We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will
>> be down for an extended time.
>>
>>
>>
>> We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the
>> liquid level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to
>> keep the generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.
>>
>>
>>
>> They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its
>> way more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with
>> varnish etc.
>>
>> Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for
>> specific deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the
>> lower the temp the larger the tank.
>>
>>
>>
>> But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will
>> take you to below zero.
>>
>> Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world
>> figure 10 btu/hr per watt.
>>
>>
>>
>> If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0
>> degrees F.
>>
>> So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually I found a chart:
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
>>
>>
>> So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue
>> grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>>
>>
>>
>> We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest.
>> My question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up
>> side. Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F
>> or less?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Steve Jones]

24-48 on a 20lb depending on load and whether its in ecomode
I think this model spec sheet says it averages .7lb/hr, the one it replaced
was smaller, we put a 40lb tank if its a weekend or bad storm

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Earlier he said 20lb tank for 48 hours.
>
> but on an inverter generator I'm sure it will vary with load.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/4/2017 3:47:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
> Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution.
> Ironically I am babysitting a site right now that lost power.
>
> How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run time
> do you get?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated
> with keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a
> model with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.
>
> These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my
> alero, the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators
> collecting dust now
>
> Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is
> alot of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your
> engine guts either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here
> nobody will top off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short
> runs are irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off
> from our office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and
> insuring that is expensive.
>
> We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will
> be down for an extended time.
>
>
>
> We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid
> level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep
> the generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.
>
>
>
> They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its
> way more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.
>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with
> varnish etc.
>
> Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for
> specific deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the
> lower the temp the larger the tank.
>
>
>
> But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will
> take you to below zero.
>
> Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world
> figure 10 btu/hr per watt.
>
>
>
> If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0
> degrees F.
>
> So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.
>
>
>
> Actually I found a chart:
>
> [image: image]
>
>
>
> So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue
> grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.
>
>
>
> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest.
> My question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up
> side. Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F
> or less?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?
>
> On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
> Where did you buy that nice machine?
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Steve Jones 
>
> Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
> prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
> hours on a small tank in eco mode.
>
> Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[chuck]

Yep what is the electrical load?  
Multiply by 10 for BTU/hr.  
One gallon of propane = 21,600 BTU.

Say 1000 watts needs 10,000 btus per hour.
So a half gallon per hour.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

Earlier he said 20lb tank for 48 hours.

but on an inverter generator I'm sure it will vary with load.

-- Original Message --
From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/4/2017 3:47:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

  Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution. 
Ironically I am babysitting a site right now that lost power. 

  How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run time do 
you get?

   

  Thanks,

  Brandon

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

   

  They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated with 
keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a model 
with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.

  These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my alero, 
the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators collecting 
dust now

  Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is alot 
of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your engine guts 
either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here nobody will top 
off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short runs are 
irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off from our 
office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and insuring that is 
expensive.

  We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will be 
down for an extended time.

   

  We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid 
level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep the 
generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.

   

  They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its way 
more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.

   

  On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with varnish 
etc.  

  Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for specific 
deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the lower the temp 
the larger the tank.

   

  But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will take 
you to below zero.  

  Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world figure 
10 btu/hr per watt.  

   

  If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0 
degrees F.  

  So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.  

   

  Actually I found a chart:



   

  So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue grill 
tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.  

   

  From: Brandon Yuchasz 

  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

   

  We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest. My 
question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up side. 
Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F or less?

   

  Thanks,

  Brandon

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

   

  How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?  

  On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm

 

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
 wrote:

Where did you buy that nice machine?

 

Jim

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone

 

 

 Original message 

From: Steve Jones  

Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator 

 

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the 
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48 hours 
on a small tank in eco mode. 

Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

 

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Adam Moffett]

Earlier he said 20lb tank for 48 hours.

but on an inverter generator I'm sure it will vary with load.

-- Original Message --
From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/4/2017 3:47:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution. 
Ironically I am babysitting a site right now that lost power.


How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run 
time do you get?




Thanks,

Brandon



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its 
caveated with keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the 
cold. There is a model with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue 
with rain or snow.


These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my 
alero, the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas 
generators collecting dust now


Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is 
alot of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your 
engine guts either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around 
here nobody will top off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, 
so short runs are irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about 
topping off from our office generator tank, but the pump would be 
expensive and insuring that is expensive.


We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site 
will be down for an extended time.




We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the 
liquid level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock 
to keep the generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.




They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, 
its way more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.




On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with 
varnish etc.


Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for 
specific deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or 
the lower the temp the larger the tank.




But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank 
will take you to below zero.


Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world 
figure 10 btu/hr per watt.




If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 
0 degrees F.


So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.



Actually I found a chart:




So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue 
grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.




From: Brandon Yuchasz

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with 
interest. My question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What 
is the up side. Second question is how does the propane fair in cold 
weather. Say 20F or less?




Thanks,

Brandon





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:


http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm





On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
 wrote:


Where did you buy that nice machine?



Jim







Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone





 Original message 

From: Steve Jones 

Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all 
the prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close 
to 48 hours on a small tank in eco mode.


Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Thanks for the feedback sounds like it would be a cleaner solution. Ironically 
I am babysitting a site right now that lost power. 

How many pound tank do you usually take with it and how long of run time do you 
get?

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

 

They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated with 
keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a model 
with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.

These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my alero, 
the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators collecting 
dust now

Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is alot of 
gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your engine guts 
either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here nobody will top 
off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short runs are 
irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off from our 
office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and insuring that is 
expensive.

We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will be 
down for an extended time.

 

We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid 
level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep the 
generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.

 

They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its way 
more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.

 

On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with varnish 
etc.  

Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for specific 
deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the lower the temp 
the larger the tank.

 

But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will take 
you to below zero.  

Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world figure 10 
btu/hr per watt.  

 

If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0 
degrees F.  

So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.  

 

Actually I found a chart:

image

 

So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue grill 
tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.  

 

From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

 

We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest. My 
question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up side. 
Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F or less?

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

 

How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?  

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  
http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm

 

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  
wrote:

Where did you buy that nice machine?

 

Jim

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone

 

 

 Original message 

From: Steve Jones  

Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator 

 

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the prpane 
guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48 hours on a 
small tank in eco mode. 

Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

 

 

 

[AFMUG] FS-MIMOSA

[Jerry Head]

 For sale Mimosa A5-18 base station and 9 C5 subscriber units, 4 of 
which are NiB.


$1250.00

Thanks,
JH

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

[Dennis Burgess]

160mhz


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps 
fieldtrials

Wonder how wide the channel is for something like this.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some bozo 
engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could sue this for 
Fixed too!

https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D30D25.B9D03F20]

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbpsfieldtrials

[chuck]

Years ago when LTE first hit the scene I was doing some research.  I think it 
was a wikipedia article.  

Probably this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency#Comparison_table

It says 20 now.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 
gbpsfieldtrials

Where did you got that info?

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 11:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 
gbpsfieldtrials





  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




So, 10 bits per Hz.  Not too bad.  LTE originally said it could hit 16 bits per 
Hz.  

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 
gbpsfieldtrials

aggregation of 5 20mhz channels.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/4/2017 11:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps 
fieldtrials

  Wonder how wide the channel is for something like this.  

  From: Gino A. Villarini
  Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

  And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some bozo 
engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could sue this for 
Fixed too! 

  
https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113



Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

[AFMUG] OT ATA

[chuck]

Anyone know of an ATA that puts out 48 volts open circuit on the phone line?  I 
have a cranky fire alarm panel.  

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbpsfieldtrials

[Adam Moffett]

At a seminar about a year ago I heard 1gbps (aggregate) LTE was possible 
by bonding 5 20mhz channels.  I could have misremembered and maybe it's 
four x20mhz like somebody said.





-- Original Message --
From: "Gino A. Villarini" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/4/2017 11:50:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 
gbpsfieldtrials



Where did you got that info?

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 


Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 11:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 
gbpsfieldtrials





Gino A. Villarini

PresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

So, 10 bits per Hz.  Not too bad.  LTE originally said it could hit 16 
bits per Hz.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:20 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 
gbpsfieldtrials


aggregation of 5 20mhz channels.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/4/2017 11:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps 
fieldtrials



Wonder how wide the channel is for something like this.

From:Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:06 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps 
fieldtrials


And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some 
bozo engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could 
sue this for Fixed too!


https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113



Gino A. Villarini

PresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Options: Big Enough to Lease Space?

[Lewis Bergman]

You can...if you want to wait the 2 years it is likely to get something
like that worked out. Anything is negotiable when it comes to tower and/or
land contracts. I always build towers large and heavy enough for at least
my stuff and one other carrier if not 2. It does take a lot more money and
time to do so though.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:13 AM Christopher Gray 
wrote:

> So definitely don't consider building to fit a cell carrier (since it
> would be unlikely to get one on there)... but is there any reason to ask a
> carrier to build their own tower there (and include space on the tower as
> part of the lease agreement?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Requiring multiple carriers definitely isn't a national thing. Whether or
>> not you should build one big enough is a whole separate question.
>>
>> I like the tower business. I am finishing a 300 foot next week. Building
>> a tower a carrier will get on is a big PITA though. You really need an ASR
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017, 12:29 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
> There was a law firm selling some language like that to municipalities.
>>> The intent was to have one tower on the skyline instead of 3 or 4.  The
>>> real effect is you get 3 or 4 bigger towers on the skyline.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Christopher Gray" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 8/3/2017 12:24:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Options: Big Enough to Lease Space?
>>>
>>> I think that depends on the local bylaws (I have not seen it on a larger
>>> scale, but I may be wrong). In my town they have a maximum height limit of
>>> 80ft but they want you to accommodate 5 carriers :-).
>>>
>>> This is in a nearby town that does not have the same requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's been awhile since I've looked at this. Isn't there a requirement
 now to make the tower large enough to accommodate several other tenants?

 On Aug 3, 2017 8:03 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
 wrote:

> I'm preparing to purchase a piece of property that is in a group of
> towers. It currently has an old ~100' guyed Rohn 45G. I would be looking 
> to
> replace that..
>
> I'm considering a couple possible options for replacement:
>
> 1. Replace with improved tower big enough for my needs.
> 2. Replace with an oversized tower that could allow for cell carrier
> leasing.
> 3. Approach a cell carrier to have them build a new tower that I could
> use.
>
> Is it worth building large enough to lease space? Is it worth asking a
> cell carrier to lease the space and build a tower there if I can get the
> space I need on the tower as part of the agreement?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

[Gino A. Villarini]

What kinds of speeds you want to support?

From: Af > on behalf of Paul 
McCall >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Was considering negotiating to buy a bunch of SFP+ BiDi for a large 
implementation if I can get them around $ 60 a set (vs. $ 20 per set for 1GB 
SFP).  Then my cranial vault spewed forth a reminder that stanard CPE type 
routers don’t support that.  So, the question is, are there a few that I am not 
thinking of?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Not really.

You can get a Mikrotik CRS that has two SFP+ but it doesn't NAT very well, not 
a big enough CPU.

You can get a Mikrotik CCR I think for around $500 that will NAT ok, maybe not 
full 10Gbps, but probably doesn't have wireless.

I think UBNT is about to release a SFP+ router, again, not sure if it's CPU can 
handle full NAT 10Gbps speeds, and it's not natively wireless, but you could 
add one of their AP units to it on Unifi. Probably around $2k retail cost for 
that scenario?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Was considering negotiating to buy a bunch of SFP+ BiDi for a large 
implementation if I can get them around $ 60 a set (vs. $ 20 per set for 1GB 
SFP).  Then my cranial vault spewed forth a reminder that stanard CPE type 
routers don't support that.  So, the question is, are there a few that I am not 
thinking of?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

[Paul McCall]

Any SOHO router (cost effective) that does SFP+?

Was considering negotiating to buy a bunch of SFP+ BiDi for a large 
implementation if I can get them around $ 60 a set (vs. $ 20 per set for 1GB 
SFP).  Then my cranial vault spewed forth a reminder that stanard CPE type 
routers don't support that.  So, the question is, are there a few that I am not 
thinking of?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

[Gino A. Villarini]

Per this article, they used 3 Unlicensed 20 mhz channels and 1 licensed

So that’s about 12 bits per hz

http://www.rcrwireless.com/20170804/carriers/verizon-starts-nationwide-laa-deployment-tag4

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 11:18 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps 
fieldtrials




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Wonder how wide the channel is for something like this.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some bozo 
engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could sue this for 
Fixed too!

https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:6FE13DCEF36C4225AB6817AAD7D64A0D@MTC.local]

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbpsfieldtrials

[Steve Jones]

google tISP is my biggest concern right now

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Where did you got that info?
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 11:27 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1
> gbpsfieldtrials
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> So, 10 bits per Hz.  Not too bad.  LTE originally said it could hit 16
> bits per Hz.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 4, 2017 9:20 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1
> gbpsfieldtrials
>
> aggregation of 5 20mhz channels.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/4/2017 11:18:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps
> fieldtrials
>
>
> Wonder how wide the channel is for something like this.
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, August 4, 2017 9:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps
> fieldtrials
>
> And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some bozo
> engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could sue this
> for Fixed too!
>
> https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/
> 2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-
> speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_
> campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017&
> utm_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbpsfieldtrials

[Gino A. Villarini]

Where did you got that info?

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 11:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 
gbpsfieldtrials




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

So, 10 bits per Hz.  Not too bad.  LTE originally said it could hit 16 bits per 
Hz.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 
gbpsfieldtrials

aggregation of 5 20mhz channels.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/4/2017 11:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps 
fieldtrials

Wonder how wide the channel is for something like this.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some bozo 
engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could sue this for 
Fixed too!

https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[X]

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps field trials

[Jason McKemie]

http://gizmodo.com/yup-verizon-and-at-t-are-a-lot-slower-after-adding-unl-1797480110

Basically, when it comes to the big carriers, fast and unlimited are
mutually exclusive. Plus a field trial != a full scale deployment by any
means.

On Friday, August 4, 2017, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some bozo
> engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could sue this
> for Fixed too!
>
> https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/
> 2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-
> speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_
> campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017&
> utm_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbpsfieldtrials

[chuck]

So, 10 bits per Hz.  Not too bad.  LTE originally said it could hit 16 bits per 
Hz.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 
gbpsfieldtrials

aggregation of 5 20mhz channels.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/4/2017 11:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps 
fieldtrials

  Wonder how wide the channel is for something like this.  

  From: Gino A. Villarini 
  Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

  And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some bozo 
engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could sue this for 
Fixed too! 

  
https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113



Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

[chuck]

Wonder how wide the channel is for something like this.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some bozo 
engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could sue this for 
Fixed too! 

https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113


  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps fieldtrials

[Adam Moffett]

aggregation of 5 20mhz channels.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/4/2017 11:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps 
fieldtrials



Wonder how wide the channel is for something like this.

From:Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:06 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps 
fieldtrials


And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some 
bozo engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could 
sue this for Fixed too!


https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113



Gino A. Villarini

PresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] OT Don't piss off a gamer

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey Forrest, have you tried using a SureCall or Wilson LTE booster for
this?   I just installed another Cradlepoint LTE router yesterday as fail
over solution and will be testing a bit later today by disconnecting TWC
link.   Yesterday, I was running tests and with -65dBm on router dashboard
I was getting over 18Mbps constantly over Verizon service.


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> One of the guys in my town that's played Ingress longer than I have (one
> of the first L16s in the Midwest) gave me a synopsis of what went wrong in
> Chicago. Everything. Wherever Niantic had the opportunity to do something
> incorrectly, they did. The Park they played in hosts events much larger
> than Pokemon Go Fest (Taste of Chicago, Lollapalooza, etc.), so there is
> certainly infrastructure there capable of accommodating large crowds.
>
> =
> The expected event included a 2km walk path, different areas of the path
> visibly marked with different elements (what spawns there), 3 'contest
> periods', frequent free raids for everyone. During the contest periods
> people would plan to all rush to whatever area of the park was what their
> goal was to accomplish it. Then at the end when everyone was successful
> they would release that the first legendary would be spawning here -- right
> now.
>
> So here's what actually happened. In reality, the bag checking process to
> get in was so horrible that at least half the people missed 2 out of the 3
> contest periods. I arrived at 10am (it opened at 10am) I got in at 1pm.
> Once inside data connection was clearly an issue. They apparently did hire
> some company to provide wifi but it fell apart. There were cows put up
> everywhere but they just weren't enough. Secondly there was something going
> on with the game itself.. I had spotty data.. but I did have data. Ingress,
> telegram, websites, even youtube worked.. but pogo did not. I overheard
> that way more accounts were in the park than they expected. Did you know
> China can't even play the game? (everyone in China spoofs as the only way
> they can play it). So my guess is we had 20,000 people and 200,000 accounts
> attempting to play in Grant Park. No one could log in, people couldnt do
> the free raids. Spawns were shockingly sparse in general so occasionally
> something cool would spawn so EVERYONE would go to it. You didnt even have
> to be watching for it -- you could see the herd crossing the park... and
> now that we've got everyone in one spot.. of course none of them have data.
> That's what happened when everyone goes to one spot, lol. The humidity and
> heat just made it that much more miserable. There were these 'hip'
> youtubers acting as cheerleaders for the event completely ignoring that
> there were problems which was comical. People literately chanting 'we can't
> play' while they cheerily acted like the day was perfect.
>
> The grand finale was what really got me though.. I just don't understand
> it. Everyone was expecting a finale of some sort. Everyone waited at the
> main stage from 6 to 6:30 because... this all has to end with *something*
> right? Suppose they said "We're sorry for all the problems today, but it
> seems like a lot of people came out and had fun. Because of your efforts -
> Legendaries will be spawning all over the world in the next 24-48 hours...
> but they're coming to Chicago -- NOW. Be on the lookout, they're going to
> be everywhere at 7pm! " The entire crowd would have cheered and would have
> rushed out to get them. But they didn't say that They said 24-48 hours
> all over, the park closes at 7pm, everyone must be out. The end. The entire
> audience gave an audible 'what the hell?' .. then went home.. Then 1 hour
> later all of Chicago was legendaries with 100% catch rate. BUT MOST PEOPLE
> ALREADY WENT HOME. Lol. It's just hilarious how bad they are at
> communication. That one just shocks me because they could have ended the
> event with excitement but just said the wrong damn thing and ended it with
> disappointment.
> =
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, August 4, 2017 2:33:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Don't piss 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon uses Unlicensed and LAA to achieve 1 gbps field trials

[Jaime Solorza]

Sue or use...I think you meant use...   I posted something like this
earlier this year.   I hear city of El Paso is having interference issues
on 3.65GHz due to more Mexican fixed wireless stations using 3GHz going up
everyday for phone and data service.   Radiowaves don't respect borders...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> And we continue to dismiss this threat.. How soon do you think some bozo
> engineer is going to put 2 and 2 together and realize they could sue this
> for Fixed too!
>
> https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/
> 2017/08/04/verizon-ericsson-qualcomm-achieve-953mbps-
> speeds-in-florida-lte-trial/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_
> campaign=4ea3a96022-CommsUpdate+04+August+2017&
> utm_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-4ea3a96022-8827113
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Don't piss off a gamer

[Mike Hammett]

One of the guys in my town that's played Ingress longer than I have (one of the 
first L16s in the Midwest) gave me a synopsis of what went wrong in Chicago. 
Everything. Wherever Niantic had the opportunity to do something incorrectly, 
they did. The Park they played in hosts events much larger than Pokemon Go Fest 
(Taste of Chicago, Lollapalooza, etc.), so there is certainly infrastructure 
there capable of accommodating large crowds. 

= 

The expected event included a 2km walk path, different areas of the path 
visibly marked with different elements (what spawns there), 3 'contest 
periods', frequent free raids for everyone. During the contest periods people 
would plan to all rush to whatever area of the park was what their goal was to 
accomplish it. Then at the end when everyone was successful they would release 
that the first legendary would be spawning here -- right now. 


So here's what actually happened. In reality, the bag checking process to get 
in was so horrible that at least half the people missed 2 out of the 3 contest 
periods. I arrived at 10am (it opened at 10am) I got in at 1pm. Once inside 
data connection was clearly an issue. They apparently did hire some company to 
provide wifi but it fell apart. There were cows put up everywhere but they just 
weren't enough. Secondly there was something going on with the game itself.. I 
had spotty data.. but I did have data. Ingress, telegram, websites, even 
youtube worked.. but pogo did not. I overheard that way more accounts were in 
the park than they expected. Did you know China can't even play the game? 
(everyone in China spoofs as the only way they can play it). So my guess is we 
had 20,000 people and 200,000 accounts attempting to play in Grant Park. No one 
could log in, people couldnt do the free raids. Spawns were shockingly sparse 
in general so occasionally something cool would spawn so EVERYONE would go to 
it. You didnt even have to be watching for it -- you could see the herd 
crossing the park... and now that we've got everyone in one spot.. of course 
none of them have data. That's what happened when everyone goes to one spot, 
lol. The humidity and heat just made it that much more miserable. There were 
these 'hip' youtubers acting as cheerleaders for the event completely ignoring 
that there were problems which was comical. People literately chanting 'we 
can't play' while they cheerily acted like the day was perfect. 


The grand finale was what really got me though.. I just don't understand it. 
Everyone was expecting a finale of some sort. Everyone waited at the main stage 
from 6 to 6:30 because... this all has to end with *something* right? Suppose 
they said "We're sorry for all the problems today, but it seems like a lot of 
people came out and had fun. Because of your efforts - Legendaries will be 
spawning all over the world in the next 24-48 hours... but they're coming to 
Chicago -- NOW. Be on the lookout, they're going to be everywhere at 7pm! " The 
entire crowd would have cheered and would have rushed out to get them. But they 
didn't say that They said 24-48 hours all over, the park closes at 7pm, 
everyone must be out. The end. The entire audience gave an audible 'what the 
hell?' .. then went home.. Then 1 hour later all of Chicago was legendaries 
with 100% catch rate. BUT MOST PEOPLE ALREADY WENT HOME. Lol. It's just 
hilarious how bad they are at communication. That one just shocks me because 
they could have ended the event with excitement but just said the wrong damn 
thing and ended it with disappointment. 
= 







- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 2:33:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Don't piss off a gamer 


I play Ingress, an earlier game that Niantic put out. We have numerous events 
in Ingress, and we consider the spotty cell coverage and questionable server 
performance to just be part of the game. Higher level players often end up with 
a satellite modem to be able to play in areas without cell coverage. 


Seems like Niantic has attracted a different, more entitled, crowd for Pokemon 
go. 


On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Found on the interwebs... 

"The organizers of a Pokémon Go fest in Chicago went from being booed at last 
week’s event to being sued by one angry attendee. The offended party, Jordan 
Norton, has filed a class-action suit against event organizer Niantic after 
being unable to partake in the online game, claiming they are liable for false 
advertising Pokemon Go Fest, according to Complex Pop Culture. 

Niantic and the carriers supplying coverage for the event have pointed fingers 
at each other for its failure. Niantic CEO John Hanke said: “On the pure 
network access issue, we provided detailed 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2000 ap with 1000 antenna

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Thanks for the link and the pictures…it certainly helped us get back up and 
running.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

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From: Af  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 5:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2000 ap with 1000 antenna

E.

I honestly don't remember. I just know I wanted a better solution. I have some 
pictures in that thread I linked to.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 4:23:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2000 ap with 1000 antenna
Ok...you were able to get the pigtails on and the rain cap?

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4238 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

On Aug 3, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
I was able to put a hose clamp behind the mounting plate and then hold the 
radio on with that. I definitely do not like it, but it's better than hanging 
by the pigtails.

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/ePMP-2000-Suggestions/idi-p/67910


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From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 4:14:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2000 ap with 1000 antenna
Really!? Ok...looks like I'll have to employ my McGyver skills to get my 
customers back online...

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4238 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

On Aug 3, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
You absolutely are not.


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Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[chuck]

I wonder how it works.  It has to deliver more fuel when the generator is under 
load.  Must have some kind of valve that is vacuum actuated.  

From: Jason Wilson 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 12:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

I have not used this but I have heard good things.  
http://www.motorsnorkel.com/motor-snorkel-tri-fuel-natural-gas-propane-and-gasoline-conversion-kit-3554.html
 



On Aug 3, 2017 6:22 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  If you have a liquid pickup on your large tank you can top them with gravity 
only.  It’s wastes a bit if fuel but you can fill them all the way up.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

  They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated with 
keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a model 
with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow. 
  These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my alero, 
the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators collecting 
dust now
  Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is alot 
of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your engine guts 
either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here nobody will top 
off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short runs are 
irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off from our 
office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and insuring that is 
expensive.
  We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will be 
down for an extended time.

  We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid 
level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep the 
generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.

  They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its way 
more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.

  On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with 
varnish etc.  
Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for specific 
deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the lower the temp 
the larger the tank.

But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will 
take you to below zero.  
Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world figure 
10 btu/hr per watt.  

If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0 
degrees F.  
So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.  

Actually I found a chart:


So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue 
grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.  


From: Brandon Yuchasz 
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest. My 
question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up side. 
Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F or less?



Thanks,

Brandon





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator



How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?  

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm





  On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
 wrote:

  Where did you buy that nice machine?



  Jim







  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone





   Original message 

  From: Steve Jones  

  Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00) 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator 



  We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the 
prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48 hours 
on a small tank in eco mode. 

  Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Options: Big Enough to Lease Space?

[Christopher Gray]

So definitely don't consider building to fit a cell carrier (since it would
be unlikely to get one on there)... but is there any reason to ask a
carrier to build their own tower there (and include space on the tower as
part of the lease agreement?


On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Requiring multiple carriers definitely isn't a national thing. Whether or
> not you should build one big enough is a whole separate question.
>
> I like the tower business. I am finishing a 300 foot next week. Building a
> tower a carrier will get on is a big PITA though. You really need an ASR
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017, 12:29 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> There was a law firm selling some language like that to municipalities.
>> The intent was to have one tower on the skyline instead of 3 or 4.  The
>> real effect is you get 3 or 4 bigger towers on the skyline.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Christopher Gray" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/3/2017 12:24:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Options: Big Enough to Lease Space?
>>
>> I think that depends on the local bylaws (I have not seen it on a larger
>> scale, but I may be wrong). In my town they have a maximum height limit of
>> 80ft but they want you to accommodate 5 carriers :-).
>>
>> This is in a nearby town that does not have the same requirements.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's been awhile since I've looked at this. Isn't there a requirement
>>> now to make the tower large enough to accommodate several other tenants?
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2017 8:03 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm preparing to purchase a piece of property that is in a group of
 towers. It currently has an old ~100' guyed Rohn 45G. I would be looking to
 replace that..

 I'm considering a couple possible options for replacement:

 1. Replace with improved tower big enough for my needs.
 2. Replace with an oversized tower that could allow for cell carrier
 leasing.
 3. Approach a cell carrier to have them build a new tower that I could
 use.

 Is it worth building large enough to lease space? Is it worth asking a
 cell carrier to lease the space and build a tower there if I can get the
 space I need on the tower as part of the agreement?

 Thank you - Chris

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Don't piss off a gamer

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I play Ingress, an earlier game that Niantic put out.  We have numerous
events in Ingress, and we consider the spotty cell coverage and
questionable server performance to just be part of the game.   Higher level
players often end up with a satellite modem to be able to play in areas
without cell coverage.

Seems like Niantic has attracted a different, more entitled, crowd for
Pokemon go.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Found on the interwebs...
>
> "The organizers of a Pokémon Go fest in Chicago went from being booed at
> last week’s event to being sued by one angry attendee. The offended party,
> Jordan Norton, has filed a class-action suit against event organizer
> Niantic after being unable to partake in the online game, claiming they are
> liable for false advertising Pokemon Go Fest, according to Complex Pop
> Culture.
>
> Niantic and the carriers supplying coverage for the event have pointed
> fingers at each other for its failure. Niantic CEO John Hanke said: “On the
> pure network access issue, we provided detailed estimates on attendance and
> required data throughput per user to our event partner (Sprint), who worked
> with the major carriers to allow them to plan for adequate coverage,” he
> said. “Some carriers deployed Cellular on Wheels (COWs) to extend their
> capacity. In other cases, the providers deemed them unnecessary based on
> other infrastructure already in place at the site. Users reported different
> levels of success with these providers.”
>
> The lawsuit said the company described a festival “bursting with activity”
> but was instead fraught with app errors and long lines. Although Niantic
> offered apologies and refunds, that was not enough to quash the gamer
> uprising.
>
> “In reality, those in attendance at the Fest were unable to play the Game
> due to Defendant’s failure to account for the number of people that
> attended the Fest,” reads the suit. “Due to Defendant’s failure to account
> and prepare for the number of attendees at the Fest, angry attendees found
> themselves waiting in line to enter the Fest hours after commencement of
> the event.”
>
> “Had Plaintiff and the Class members known that they would spend most of
> the event waiting in lines, be unable to obtain cellular or internet
> service, and encounter technical problems with Defendant’s game,” reads the
> suit, “they would not have purchased tickets to the Fest, and would not
> have spent money on travel and other accommodations.”
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Jason Wilson]

I have not used this but I have heard good things.
http://www.motorsnorkel.com/motor-snorkel-tri-fuel-natural-gas-propane-and-gasoline-conversion-kit-3554.html



On Aug 3, 2017 6:22 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> If you have a liquid pickup on your large tank you can top them with
> gravity only.  It’s wastes a bit if fuel but you can fill them all the way
> up.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
> They recomend running the exaust at the tank in the winter, its caveated
> with keeping it at a safe distance. They start fine in the cold. There is a
> model with waterproof plugs, but weve never had issue with rain or snow.
> These are nice, i can toss it in my front seat with a tall tank in my
> alero, the gas ones were too big. We have 5 or six portable gas generators
> collecting dust now
> Transport of fuel and runtime are huge factors, 48 hours of gasoline is
> alot of gas, and youd need an external tank. Propane wont varnish your
> engine guts either. The only thing i dont like about propane is around here
> nobody will top off tanks by weight, they charge a full fill rate, so short
> runs are irritating. Talked to the local propane dealer about topping off
> from our office generator tank, but the pump would be expensive and
> insuring that is expensive.
> We have a split hose too so we can run dual tanks if we know a site will
> be down for an extended time.
>
> We do have some lightweight carbon fiber tanks that you can see the liquid
> level, those are nice. We also use a big heavy chain and padlock to keep
> the generator from walking away, these WILL get stolen.
>
> They have a standby with remote start and all that jazz for about 5k, its
> way more generator than any of our sites need, but its an option.
>
> On Aug 3, 2017 7:03 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Because gas goes stale, spoils, coats the insides of everything with
> varnish etc.
> Propane is OK in cold weather but there is a minimum tank size for
> specific deliveries at different low temps.  The more gas you need or the
> lower the temp the larger the tank.
>
> But for a small generator like this, I really think a 5 gallon tank will
> take you to below zero.
> Perfectly efficient 1000 watts is 3412 Btu/hr  But in the real world
> figure 10 btu/hr per watt.
>
> If it scales linearly, a 5 gallon tank can deliver about 5000 btu/hr at 0
> degrees F.
> So perhaps a 500 watt load on the generator.
>
> Actually I found a chart:
> [image: image]
>
> So, assuming you need 10,000 BTU for 1000 watts, your 5 gallon barbecue
> grill tank will work down to 0 degrees until it drops below 20% full.
>
>
> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 5:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
> We are in need of a new generator so I am following along with interest.
> My question is why not just use gas instead of propane? What is the up
> side. Second question is how does the propane fair in cold weather. Say 20F
> or less?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 6:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
>
>
>
> How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?
>
> On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
> Where did you buy that nice machine?
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
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> From: Steve Jones 
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> Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
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> To: af@afmug.com
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> Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator
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> We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
> prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
> hours on a small tank in eco mode.
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> Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions
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