Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*****, Re: 5 Wifi Extenders

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

6000 sq.  I've never seen anything like it. 

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> On Nov 17, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> I never recommend them.
>  
> The only acceptable ‘extender’ scenario I’ve encountered was with Apple 
> router and extender, but the extender was wired back to the router.
>  
> Can’t see how a wirelessly connected extender is going to help much with 
> speed.
>  
> Maybe it’s antenna is better than the client antenna and can get better 
> signal to the router, but then traffic is using two channels, or half duplex 
> or something to extend wirelessly. Not sure there is much gained.
>  
> It is always better in my opinion to centralize the existing router, or 
> upgrade it to a better router with more power and lots more external antennas 
> etc.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 4:45 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5 Wifi Extenders
>  
> How big is this house ? I honestly hate the extenders 
> From: Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
> Sent: ‎11/‎17/‎2015 4:42 PM
> To: memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] 5 Wifi Extenders
> 
> Any of you ever come across a house with this many extenders.  Sounds like 
> trouble lurking to me.
>  
> Tyson Burris, President 
> Internet Communications Inc. 
> 739 Commerce Dr. 
> Franklin, IN 46131 
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Re: [AFMUG] Who's responsible for RMAs at Cambium?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

RMA process sucks.  Needs revamped to be efficient and quick turnaround.  I 
want a hot swap process in place

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 On Aug 10, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 I hate not getting any kind of a response after filling that god awful form.  
 At the very least an automated answer if you guys are SO determined to use it.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

Seen it brother.  We downgraded 

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Matt Hopkins mhopk...@onlinenw.com wrote:
 
 This was not a browser cache issue. The APs that had the Registering issue 
 had anywhere from 9-65 SMs. Cambium support advised me to downgrade to 13.2.1 
 and said that it was a known issue.
 Matt Hopkins
 OnlineNW Support
 503.687.1030
 supp...@onlinenw.com
 onlinenw.com
 On 7/17/2015 4:34 PM, George Skorup wrote:
 Oh, forgot to mention, I didn't see any change in power levels either.
 
 On 7/17/2015 6:33 PM, George Skorup wrote:
 I've updated a couple 5GHz 450 sectors so far and haven't seen this. They 
 all have less than 20 SMs though. Do yours have a lot of SMs? Are you also 
 sure it's not a browser cache issue?
 
 Yes, the Lites are a special build, 13.2.1.3 which Cambium hasn't made 
 available so I've also been hesitant to update any of them.
 
 On 7/17/2015 5:59 PM, Matt Hopkins wrote:
 I just wanted to throw out a heads-up for a Friday afternoon. What is 
 happening is that some of the SMs are displayed as registering in the AP 
 even after they are registered. You could click on the SM in the table and 
 it would take you to the SM like normal still. This happened on a 2.4 450 
 and multiple 5GHz 450 APs. The signal doesn't seem to matter as some of 
 the SMs had signals as good as -67 with 29 SNR. Traffic would not pass 
 over the SM and if they had an additional VC for voice it wouldn't ever 
 establish. I also saw that overall signal levels of SMs were 5 db (give or 
 take) worse on 13.4. Additionally it seems that Lite APs (-APL) are not 
 letting me roll back to 13.2.1, or any other version for that matter. I am 
 glad I only upgraded a handful of APs because I'm excited for the new CoA 
 feature.
 -- 
 Matt Hopkins
 Network Administrator
 503.687.1030
 supp...@onlinenw.com
 onlinenw.com
 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:************, Re: 450 SM and 430 AP

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

Review my comment again... I said tone 

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 On Jun 26, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:
 
 From

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:************, eptp 5ghz backhaul dish options.

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

So simple.  Drop yourself a KP Performance ePMP mounting adapter onto a UBNT 2' 
dish.  Add your radio.   Get nice pretty links.  Cambium and UBNT married as 
one 

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 On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote:
 
 Wondering if anyone has used any of the microtik 30db dishes with the ePTP 
 units and how mounting went and if there was any real issues? We are looking 
 to deploy 10 units next month and I want a 2 foot dish with a radome on the 
 links. The force 110 dishes would be fine for these links but I don’t want to 
 chance ice buildup this winter so I need to find another option that the ePTP 
 can mount to easily. Unless Chuck wants to make me 10 radomes for the force 
 110’s?
  
 Appreciate any experience you guys have with so far.
  
  
 Best regards,
 Brandon Yuchasz
 GogebicRange.net
 www.gogebicrange.net
  

Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

Simple:  buy cat 5 grounding kits for
Shielded cable.  Use them at top, middle and bottom. No more no less.  Doesn't 
involve cutting cable just connect into shield and water proof like hell. 

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 On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 
 I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get 
 Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems.  At most there should be one at 
 each end.
  
 You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield 
 grounds, not actual surge protectors.
  
 I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if 
 you can help it.
  
 If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success 
 with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna.  Polyphaser 
 makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive.  If 
 lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio.
  
 From: Edward Brooks
 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Static  Nearby Lightning Issues
  
 Here goes...
  We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per 
 manufacturers recommendations.  Each leg is physically bonded (not 
 exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to 
 each other in a ring.  The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod 
 and tied into the meter base grounding as well.  The two ground rings are 
 then bonded to each other in 2 separate places.
  With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the 
 dissipation of static at the height of the antennas.  We currently have had 
 the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently 
 located on masts at the top of the tower.  We have also had issues with a 
 couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as 
 frequently.  The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the 
 tower is 118' AGL.  We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in 
 the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower.
  After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the 
 Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to 
 bounce those ideas off the community.  My thought is that we neglected to put 
 surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 
 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas.  Also we may need to 
 lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium 
 manuals for various antenna types).
  Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.  What have you done to 
 mitigate this problem?  Etc...
 
 Thanks,
 -Ed
 -- 
 Edward Brooks
 Outside Plant Manager
 The Montana Internet Corporation
 406-443-3347 X506
 
 
   
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Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

Bingo!  That's what you need

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 On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:08 PM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So, something like this then?   
 https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc 
 t...@franklinisp.net wrote:
 Simple:  buy cat 5 grounding kits for
 Shielded cable.  Use them at top, middle and bottom. No more no less.  
 Doesn't involve cutting cable just connect into shield and water proof like 
 hell. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 
 I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get 
 Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems.  At most there should be one 
 at each end.
  
 You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield 
 grounds, not actual surge protectors.
  
 I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if 
 you can help it.
  
 If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success 
 with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna.  Polyphaser 
 makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive.  If 
 lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the 
 radio.
  
 From: Edward Brooks
 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Static  Nearby Lightning Issues
  
 Here goes...
  We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per 
 manufacturers recommendations.  Each leg is physically bonded (not 
 exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to 
 each other in a ring.  The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod 
 and tied into the meter base grounding as well.  The two ground rings are 
 then bonded to each other in 2 separate places.
  With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the 
 dissipation of static at the height of the antennas.  We currently have had 
 the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently 
 located on masts at the top of the tower.  We have also had issues with a 
 couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as 
 frequently.  The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the 
 tower is 118' AGL.  We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located 
 in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower.
  After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the 
 Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to 
 bounce those ideas off the community.  My thought is that we neglected to 
 put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola 
 R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas.  Also we may 
 need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per 
 the Cambium manuals for various antenna types).
  Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.  What have you done 
 to mitigate this problem?  Etc...
 
 Thanks,
 -Ed
 -- 
 Edward Brooks
 Outside Plant Manager
 The Montana Internet Corporation
 406-443-3347 X506
 
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*******, Re: Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

I can write you a beautiful story.  What do you want it to say?  It will be 
your best seller with pictures and content that make RF geeks wet.  Oh I 
probably should keep the details secret! 

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 On May 20, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote:
 
 It's funny you guys are joking about that, because we have been getting 
 fake stories ;)
 
 Some have even copied screenshots from other sections, haha... 
 
 Probably Luthman?
 
 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nate, the contest is for a fictional If I had an AF5X story. The winner 
 may get radios to make their wish happen.
 
 On May 20, 2015 10:35 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:
 I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and win 
 a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story !! IF I COULD GET 
 RADIOS !!
 
 Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a 
 standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when 
 they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
 
 Nate
 

[AFMUG] ePmP FW 2.4 bug?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

Is there a bug in the 2.4 firmware that locks you out of the ePMP IF MANUAL AND 
1000 is set?

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Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*******, Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

LMAO.  Josh you are just like me! Call people out for the BS THEY PUT OUT.

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 On Mar 20, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 Are you f$%king serious?
 
 Do you guys even make sure the thing compiled before you release it???  What 
 a dumbass bug!!!
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Best price for att full gig?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

Yes. Agreed. 

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 On Feb 28, 2015, at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
 
 Though I wouldn't buy Cogent (or HE) for full routes. Cogent for customer 
 routes only and peer with HE.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 From: Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 10:12:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best price for att full gig?
 
 Can you transport back to a datacenter?
 Cogent offers 1Gb cheap.  $700-$900 is the going rate.
  
  
 Tyson Burris, President 
 Internet Communications Inc. 
 739 Commerce Dr. 
 Franklin, IN 46131 
   
 317-738-0320 Daytime # 
 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
 Online: www.surfici.net
  
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 Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:12 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Best price for att full gig?
  
 What's the best price you guys have seen for a full gig with att?
 
 Thanks in advance
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

No one on this List or the FCC will convince me that the telco needed this to 
get federal funds to help them with network builds.  THEY have PISSED AWAY all 
USF funds they keep getting.  How the hell do you think Century Link bought 
Embarq!

The USF FEE has been around since 1934 and added to in 1996.  All for the very 
purpose to support these idiots.  

I want everyone who voted for this rule fired and citizenship revoked!

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 On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Rex-List Account xorex63l...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey I know Jack Schitt. Nice fella.
  
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNqLSch84aQ
 Not sure if he is a Comcast customer though. J
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 11:12 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
  
 Jack Shit?  Is he another Comcast customer?
 http://elliott.org/blog/hello-dummy-comcast-calls-customers-shocking-names/
  
  
 From: Mike Hammett
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:29 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
  
 According to Corran, it doesn't mean jack shit yet. There's no regulation or 
 funding tied to it.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 7:06:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
 
 Doesn't this just mean if you don't offer service of at least 25mbps your 
 area won't count as served? I'm pretty sure you can call your service 
 whatever you damn well please.
 
 On Friday, January 30, 2015, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote:
 Keep in mind the cable companies don't get federal subsidies.  The cable data 
 operations are unregulated information service exactly like us, and they can 
 easily meet the 25/3. 
  
 They are opposed because it means the telcos are going to be given federal 
 money to upgrade to 25/3 and become competition.
  
 Cable spends it's own money to compete, just like us.  They are equally 
 ticked over changing the definition so that their competition, who has not 
 spent their own money, and waited for government handouts is going to be 
 rewarded.
 
 
 Mark Radabaugh
 Amplex
 27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
 Millbury, OH 43447
 419-261-5996
 
 On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I found it interesting that the cable companies were claiming to be against 
 this change.  This seems handcrafted by them if you ask me.  Every year when 
 they request funding the WISPs in those areas (with the help of WISPA) file 
 claims against them receiving those funds under the basis that 'broadband' is 
 already available in those areas where they are claiming that it is not.  
 This has actually worked fairly well in keeping those entities from receiving 
 those funds.  Now, almost none of us meet the 'broadband' qualification and 
 now they can use the government funds to build out on top of us almost 
 uncontested.
  
 On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 My company is called 'Blue Spring Broadband'.  I will not be changing my 
 name.  We offer dedicated connections up to 100Mbps, and more on a 
 case-by-case basis (ie. I would offer 1Gbps near the NOC to anyone willing to 
 pay for it).  Although we do not offer more than 15x3 to residential 
 currently, I still believe we can be classified as a broadband service 
 provider.  I happily give quotes on a 25x25 dedicated unlimited connection to 
 any residential customers that ask for it ($1K/mo. roughly).  Until some 
 governing entity tells me different that is my stance.
  
 On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 It’s depressing to think about all the government money that went to 
 subsidize 1 Mbps (if that) Hughesnet service under the recovery act.
  
 The contradiction is like setting a standard that every citizen must get 
 fresh whole grain organic locally grown low sugar low sodium food, just a 
 couple years after handing out pork rinds, moon pies and Jolt cola in the 
 school lunch program.
  
  
 From: Bill Prince
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 3:22 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
  
 +1.  They have the added complication that they are way oversubscribed 
 compared to almost everything else.
 
 Let's not even mention latency. 
 
 If broadband included something about latency (like just  200 ms for 
 instance), then they would lose big time.
 
 
 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
  
 On 1/30/2015 1:17 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
 Doubtful. They can't sustain those speeds wide spread any better than we can.
  
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: That One Guy
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 3:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
  
 at those sustained speeds, the only tech that could realistically deliver to 
 the rural market right now 

Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

No one on this List or the FCC will convince me that the telco needed this to 
get federal funds to help them with network builds.  THEY have PISSED AWAY all 
USF funds they keep getting.  How the hell do you think Century Link bought 
Embarq!

The USF FEE has been around since 1934 and added to in 1996.  All for the very 
purpose to support these idiots.  

I want everyone who voted for this rule fired and citizenship revoked!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
 
 According to 477, if I have a census area that only has 1Mbps customers, then 
 that area is labeled under served, correct?
 
 Looks like the FCC just figured a way to hand their buddies grant money or 
 (dons tin foil hat) ultimately take over the Internet infrastructure.
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Bill Prince
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 2:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
 
 I don't know if we can answer that question until we see how the rule is 
 worded if and when it actually becomes a rule.
 
 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
 
 On 1/30/2015 12:21 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
 Even if you don�t deliver 25Mbps as defined, can�t you just put a plan 
 rate for 25Mbps and give it some ridiculous price that no one will ever buy, 
 then claim broadband?
 �
 I mean the other lower plan rates wouldn�t be broadband, but your company 
 could be branded as selling  broadband?
 �
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet 
 Communications Inc
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:40 PM
 To: memb...@wispa.org
 Cc: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
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 !--[if !supportLists]--1.������ !--[endif]--Is the 25Mbps 
 classification immediate?
 !--[if !supportLists]--2.������ !--[endif]--What are you NOW 
 going to call your previously determined �broadband� service?
 �
 �
 Tyson Burris, President 
 Internet Communications Inc. 
 739 Commerce Dr. 
 Franklin, IN 46131 
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 317-738-0320 Daytime # 
 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Petition Circulating

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

Two questions: 

1.  IF passed will WISPs be able to apply and get money from the fund since 
they are excluded now?

2.  Do you expect this to pass?

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 On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@fibertothefarm.com wrote:
 
 Save Small Internet Service 
 Providershttp://petitions.moveon.org/sign/save-small-internet-service?source=s.icn.twr_by=12361504
 
 Petition by George 
 Fendlerhttp://petitions.moveon.org/contact_creator.html?petition_id=87447
 
 To be delivered to Tom Wheeler, FCC Commissioner and President Barack Obama
 Stop the FCC from making small ISPs comply with Title II public utility rules.
 This is not Net Neutrality. It is a power grab to give the big phone/cable 
 providers a strong monopoly and saddle all American Internet customers with a 
 16.8% tax.
 
 George Fendler is a WISP from Central Coast Internet in Hollister, 
 California.  Click on the link above to support this petition and use social 
 media to broadcast it to your customers.
 
 Respectfully,
 
 Rick Harnish
 Broadband Consultant  Industry Analyst
 260-307-4000 cell
 Skype: rick.harnish.
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] the future of being an ISP

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

OK FINE!  Let it happen.  Tax every MoFo internet service out there to be fair. 
 Then take all your new tax money and split it evenly to ALL OF US!  Yep not 
going to happen either.  I guess it's time to hire Steve Coran to beat them for 
my share! 

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 On Jan 21, 2015, at 8:02 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net 
 wrote:
 
  
 This posted on the facebook page of Athena Broadband of TN today:
  
 Chairman Powell of the FCC plans to reclassify the Internet as a regulated 
 utility on Feb 26th. The chairman has confirmed in a house hearing today that 
 USF fees WILL apply to Internet service. The current USF collection rate is 
 16.8% and adjusts automatically depending on how much money the government 
 spends. If the FCC does this everyone's bill is going up by at least 16.8%. 
 Be on the lookout as we may need your help again supporting our cause in DC 
 against these types of actions!
  
  
 Looks like i've confirmed most the points of this post:
  
 *  Unless we REALLY make some noise, we are probably being reclassified as a 
 utility (title II).  Yuk
 *  Folks screaming on the radio tonight (talk radio) - internet bills go up 
 by 16.8%. 
  
 Comments?  How do we break this to our customers?  When will it take effect?  
 How do we stop it?
 Can we stop it?  How will you answer customer questions about this?
  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

Don't forget  those damn selfies you guys sent me! Crazy 

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 On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
 
 He's doing triathlons now. Judging by his FB, he seems to do one every other 
 day.
 
 A lot more family time.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:08:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
 
 We regularly see posts from executives at Convergence, including at the time 
 ePMP was introduced, none of whom are Charles.
  
 I think Charles returned to his home planet, and is now rooming with Elvis.
  
  
 From: Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:42 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
  
 Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
 That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided.
 
 CTI was definitely MemoryLink.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
 
 It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could 
 supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on 
 the scene...
  
 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi 
 sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
 You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true.
 
  
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM
 To: af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
 
  
 
 That's a rumor I have heard as well.
 
 On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:
 
 It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it 
 off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?)
 
  
 
 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's 
 significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they 
 purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... 
 presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead.
 
  
 
 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 wrote:
 
 So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450?  
 That would make way too much sense, though...
 
 
 
  
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
  
 
 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch)
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 
 President
 
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 
 www.aeronetpr.com  
 
 @aeronetpr
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
 
  
 
 What do you mean put in epmp like unit?
 
 
 
  
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
  
 
 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt 
 yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special 
 adapters for it to work.
 
  
 
 We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 
 President
 
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 
 www.aeronetpr.com  
 
 @aeronetpr
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
 
  
 
 Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP.  I believe the force 
 110 is better gain though.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 no
 
 
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote:
 
 Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish???
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
  So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Well. I already said the alignment function is sh!t and I stand by that.  Just 
turn the damn thing into a Canopy spin off with the same features.  Engineers 
seem to over complicate things.  (Like a woman)

Sorry 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can 
 no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would 
 get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just 
 loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in 
 the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster 
 than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 
 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware 
 and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup 
 config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all 
 day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that 
 already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime 
 i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming 
 out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i 
 got so frustrated with one a few weeks back.
 
 Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us 
 all
 
 
 
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

[AFMUG] UBNT equipment - Atlanta

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

I need help.  Who here has some UBNT equipment in Atlanta ? Came down to my 
brother in laws.  They moved to another house in Cobb County.  Have a three 
story home with a Belkin.  Wifi sucks.  Will never be able to work here !  
Doesn't UBNT have a downtown Atlanta office ?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Yep my brother can't play his new game 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Well, at least they took down both, so as to not give an unfair advantage to 
 one. :P
 
 From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via Af [af@afmug.com]
 Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:54 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
 
 https://gigaom.com/2014/12/25/scrooges-strike-xbox-live-playstation-network-hacked-outage/
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*********, Re: Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

All our technology and such a simple act of flooding can bring things to a halt.



Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 I can't play a single player game...
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af 
 af@afmug.com wrote:
 Yep my brother can't play his new game
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
  Well, at least they took down both, so as to not give an unfair advantage 
  to one. :P
  
  From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via Af 
  [af@afmug.com]
  Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:54 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
 
  https://gigaom.com/2014/12/25/scrooges-strike-xbox-live-playstation-network-hacked-outage/
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp results

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

It's cambium and works well. I understand a lot of guys are now going to it. 
Question though is the new AC gear worth waiting on at this point ??

My complaints are...

Wish it had alignment tone.  We are so use to our easy breezy alignment tool 
with FSK and OFDM.  Going to the led lights was a step back I guess to help 
keep costs down. Who here has tried to align a KP REFLECTOR like that?  That's 
dumb.  Give me my headset back so I can listen to music.  Some of the UI loads 
slow and is missing some nice features we see in the other cambium gear.  Sync 
and throughput is good.  Force 110 dish is small...wish it was bigger to add 
the db loss from taking Rockets down.  

Sorry I like carrier grade but without the price.  So I am crying about it

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Just curious   Who out there has had positive or negative results from EPMP.  
 What are the pluses and minuses?   I know price is a plus but other than 
 that??
 
 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Canopy 13.2 and PTP 230's

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Thanks,

Cambium sent us the beta to test.  It's up and running on all 230s in our 
network. We are watching for this issue to redevelop.  Right now it seems 
stable ... Give us 24 hrs 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 9, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Adam Bates aba...@freedomnet.com wrote:
 
 Roll back to 13.1.3 (Somewhat more stable).  Apparently they didn’t fix the 
 watchdog reset on the 230 models as well as created new problems on 13.2.  
 They targeted the 13.2 upgrade for the PMP450.  Have you been seeing the 
 master side reboot?  Are you using a sync device on your master?  If so try 
 setting it to generate sync.  We have seen this fix the session/re-reg 
 problems also.
  
 13.3 is supposed to fix this issue.
  
 Email from Cambium Support:
  
 Just to summarize our phone call, we're lookign at the already reported 
 issue, that affects PTP230/450. At this time, there's only a PTP450 beta 
 version, which addresses this issue available. Due to public holidays, i 
 cannot check the availability of the PTP230 beta version with our development 
 team, however, i expect to have this information on Monday 12/1. I will keep 
 you informed.
 
 Thanks
 
 With best regards
 Pavel Onz
 Level 2 Engineering
  
 Haven’t received any additional updates since 11/28.
  
 Adam Bates
 FreedomNet Solutions
 aba...@freedomnet.com
  
  
 From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
 Of Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:21 AM
 To: memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com
 Subject: [WISPA Members] Canopy 13.2 and PTP 230's
  
 Hey guys,
  
 I loaded the 13.2 on the PTP 230’s last week.  We have been seeing the count 
 and Reg count increment since, which can cause drops. 
 Did I miss something with this firmware?  
  
 Tyson Burris, President 
 Internet Communications Inc. 
 739 Commerce Dr. 
 Franklin, IN 46131 
   
 317-738-0320 Daytime # 
 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
 Online: www.surfici.net
  
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Yes in training it was confirmed that the ePmP can get power and sync through 
CMM 34 but the 3 may be tricky to workaround. 

Also you can gps time your PTP link but it wasn't recommend.  You should use 
the Mac level for your ptp 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Jeff,
  
 It looks like you are saying that the connectorized radios withouth sync CAN 
 indeed get sync from external source, CMM3, CMM4, sync injector.
  
 I wasn’t aware that was the case
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
 via Af
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:36 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
  
 The 110 PTP unit has sync on board...disabled...expect that's to keep us from 
 buying that unit and swapping the radios for a connectorized unit without 
 sync.  :-)
  
 I expect that, like the connectorized radio without sync, that you can take 
 sync from a different source, like a CMM4.
  
 
 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
 
 On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers.  
 Everything is OSPF but logically...
 
 Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist 
 devices) is fed by...
Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz
This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth 
 and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A
Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5
This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G
 
 Tower R then feeds...
Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable 
 bandwidth.  (Rohn 25G 120 ft.)
 
 To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act.  
 There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to 
 each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the 
 backside links.
 
 The challenge...
 
 First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C.  And, I need 
 better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then 
 I get customer complaints etc. I hate that.  
 
 So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a 
 ton of licensed links?  Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive.
 
 The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow?   
 Latency with sync?
 
 Paul
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
 
 
 Hi,
  
 Please allow me to clarify.
  
 The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE 
 ports.
  
 The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the
 single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. 
 GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board 
 GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates).
  
 The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 
 and will apply to both products.
 
 Reading this spec sheet.
 
 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf
 
 
 LATENCY (nominal, one way)  2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame
 Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)

Re: [AFMUG] How common are crc errors on pmp100

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Craig that ratio is fine.  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 20, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Craig Schmaderer via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 This is a radio that has been up for 93 days, it is very heavy on traffic, 
 would you say there is an issue with this radio?   It is on a clean tower 
 that only I am on.  There are 4 other canopy radios on this tower receiving 
 sync from a CTM1.  All radios are just CAT5e cable non shielded, length is 
 about 180’ tops.  Also there is a PTP800 with lmr 400 ran along with it, I 
 never noticed this before, all other radios are showing about the same number 
 of CRC errors, is this expectable?  
  
  
 Ethernet Link Detected :
 1
 Ethernet Link Lost :
 0
 Undersized Toss Count :
 0
 inoctets Count :
 4054728244
 inucastpkts Count :
 1954469296
 Innucastpkts Count :
 56834740
 indiscards Count :
 0
 inerrors Count :
 231695
 inunknownprotos Count :
 0
 outoctets Count :
 3150773755
 outucastpktsCount :
 1289988260
 outnucastpkts Count :
 1597027
 outdiscards Count :
 0
 outerrors Count :
 0
 RxBabErr :
 0
 TxHbErr :
 0
 EthBusErr :
 0
 CRCError :
 231601
 RcvFifoNoBuf :
 94
 RxOverrun :
 0
 LateCollision :
 0
 RetransLimitExp :
 0
 TxUnderrun :
 0
 CarSenseLost :
 0
 No Carrier :
 0
  
 Craig R. Schmaderer
 CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
 Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
 Direct: 402-372-1052
  

Re: [AFMUG] Working with Crown Castle vs. American Tower

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

The rep that works or worked at Crown Castle in Indianapolis used to work for 
another company I did IT work for.  He spent his days infectimg his business 
laptop with porn.  

He needed a 'lazy' job that he could overcharge customers and get kick backs 
forso he joined Crown.  

Many of us can install our equipment better then the drugged up contractors 
that Crown uses.  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 16, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 No.  I have not at all.  In fact, my most recent increase has us over $6600 
 for 4 towers that barely turn $7k in revenue.  I'm trying to get land leases 
 with the property owners for a new tower or in a near location right now.
 
 Regards,
 Chuck
 
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Amen to crown castle  we are doing a new site and we wanted to use crown 
 instead of building our own site. But it's been a month and  no contact from 
 them. So we are laying conduit next week for fiber 
 
 Cc can kiss my A$$ too
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 16, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 CC can go suck a bag of dicks. AT is much easier to work with. Too many 
 stories of CC screwing people over.
 
 Obviously better yet if you can find a regional or local tower company.
 
 http://youtu.be/OT7xc_XqYO8
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 From: Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:20:15 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Working with Crown Castle vs. American Tower
 
 We have 3 Crown Castle towers that we have had since 2003.  Started around 
 $ 500 per month for 4 sectors and 2 BHs back then.  Rent escalations plus 
 now having 6 sectors on it now, have brought the rent up to around $ 
 1000/month.  We are exploring our other options for new towers.
 
  
 
 Two of the ideal locations are Crown Castle sites and I called them.  My CC 
 rep sent me all the standard fee sheets - $ 5K and up etc. and high rents.
 
  
 
 Has anyone got any precedence for pricing with CC where they have become 
 competitive to someone like American Tower and their 4WISP program?  A.T. 
 starts at $ 500 for 2 3ft BHs and 4 Sectors.  A premium tower, as they call 
 it, can have a $ 100 to $ 150 uptick, but that still seems reasonable.
 
  
 
 Thoughts?
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 Paul McCall, Pres.
 
 PDMNet / Florida Broadband
 
 658 Old Dixie Highway
 
 Vero Beach, FL 32962
 
 772-564-6800 office
 
 772-473-0352 cell
 
 www.pdmnet.com
 
 pa...@pdmnet.net
 
 

[AFMUG] UBNT 24 Bounce

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Guys,  

Seeing a 24ghz bouncing and throwing low bandwidth numbers.  Session and 
throughput graphs look great when up. Cable pairs are like 26-29 snr.  

Ericsson said an LTE sector started acting up.  Clearly different RF but seems 
odd.  

New terminations and power supplies.  No luck.  Bypass surge protection same 
result  

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

For WISPs, you need to focus on the OSHA content related to construction. I 
require OHSA 10, at a minimum,  for all employees now, including CPR CERT.  
Everyone in our industry should be doing a pre climb safety meeting as well but 
I have yet to see ANYONE do it.

I'm not an expert here at all but that's what what I was taught from the 
cellular side. 





Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 We climb towers and are on roofs all day, which is why I asked.
 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
 
 On 11/11/2014 02:15 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
 Yes, but for manufacturing, not the WISP.
  
 From: Josh Reynolds via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 2:29 PM
 To: af@afmug.com ; WISPA General List
 Subject: [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan   for WISPs
  
 Has anybody had one of these done before? Do you know any resources specific 
 to our industry that could help with this?
 
 Thanks
 -- 
 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Canopy stuff...

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

What did you put in place of this equipment ?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Have for sale:
 
 qty 25 - 2400SM P10 used - $75/each
 qty 3 -- 430AP 5.4ghz DES version $1000/each 
 qty 3 -- 90 degree moto sectors, (2 older bigger ones, 1 newer smaller one) 
 $150/each 
 qty 30 -- 430SM 5.4ghz 10mbps DES version $150/each 
 
 reply to k...@wavelinc.com
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Sounds right.  They bought a hardware company and use their own branded 
equipment on the wireless side. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:39 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Spoke to young guys from Vivint
 Today at lunch and they are beta testing 50 x 50 mbps wireless using a fiber 
 fed hub and then cover a neighborhood.  Testing here and Utah somewhere.  
 They work for automation branch and didnt know particulars.   Anyone hear 
 about this?
 Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

He said it was his brother right ?  Who cares!  Your brother is your blood.  
Sh!t happens

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Federal labor law says you can't hold employees financial responsible for 
 broken/lost tools. (from my understanding)
 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
 
 On 10/23/2014 04:22 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:
 How do you guys handle it when an employee damages or loses equipment?
 
 This is my baby brother's first job. He tied the ladder and it fell out of 
 the truck, no where to be found. 
 
 He said he's going to either get me one or pay me back, just curious how 
 everyone else handles this.
 
 I've never run into it yet.
 �
 

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa fails to deliver

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

LOL! Love it and so true

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 7, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 
 cu03w.png
 
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com   
 @aeronetpr
 
 
 
 From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa fails to deliver
 
 They are still testing and tweaking firmware. They are not vaporware and are 
 actively updating the Beta community. I can't say much more yet but that they 
 are continually updating those of us in the Beta group and are working on 
 tweaking the software to be as reliable as possible before releasing the 
 product. Give them 1-2 more months and we should see good things.
 
 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Even the test links our Distributor should have gotten did not arrive.
 
 So seems like another marketing driven company.
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Don't believe any of that bs.  
You can destroy Russia by dropping oil to $50 barrel.

September and October funds sell off and take new positions for the upcoming 
year. Happens every year at the same time and people start screaming!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 6, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 I've heard the downward pressure is due to the US / Russia spat and trade 
 restrictions.
 
 On 10/3/2014 2:17 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
 Wow... looks like UBNT is struggling on the market the last two weeks. Down 
 to $35 today.  Glad I sold at $48 a few weeks ago. :) 
 
 Who posted it would be at $75 by year's end? Hope they weren't really 
 counting on that... 
 
 Travis
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

$700-1k

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 On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Last we checked $700 on one year contract and free NRC 
 
 On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 What is going rate for gig of Cogent at the datacenter?
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Had you bought two years ago...along with Carl you would just about doubled 
your money.  

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 On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Apple today without split would be in the $700 range
 
 Sent from my Motorola Startac... 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 On the Yahoo Finance chart, go to the Events drop-down menu, and put a 
 checkmark next to Splits.  Hover over the split marker to get the details.
  
 From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:24 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.
  
  
 Keep in mind apple has actually splitit was trading what, $400+ a few 
 months ago?
 I wish charts had some way of showing that but based on what i've been able 
 to see, they never do.
 All the sources of information (tv, media, charts) just go like it never 
 happened
  
 You can google split information.
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Ken Hohhof via Af
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.
  
 Well, Travis says get in and out in a day.  You say 20-50 years.  That 
 pretty much covers any strategy you want to pick.  And some people are 
 putting all their money in Bitcoin.
  
 From: Bruce Robertson via Af
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:17 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.
  
 I would call two years very short term because my investing horizon is 20+ 
 years.   And I'm already (mostly) retired.  (Consulting gigs keep cropping 
 up...)  If I were still in my 20s, my horizon would be 50 years.
 
 On 9/20/2014 1:03 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
 Take a look at this:
 http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL+Interactive#symbol=AAPL;range=5y
  
 and now imagine you are the advisor who put me (and no doubt other clients) 
 into AAPL in September 2012.  You can either call up those clients and say 
 good news, after 2 years of staring at a loss, you can finally take a nice 
 profit and invest in something else.  Or you can say buy another ticket and 
 take another roller coaster ride.
  
 Besides, after years of almost getting negative interest on fixed income 
 (in Europe they actually pay banks to park money), there are finally some 
 options in stocks that pay dividends and even bond funds that are 
 worthwhile putting 25 or 30% of your money  in, making sure they are short 
 maturity because their value will go down once the Fed starts raising 
 interest rates.
  
 But as far as ignoring short term stock market swings, I’m not sure I’d 
 call 2 years short term.  And if you look at the chart, AAPL looks exactly 
 like it did 2 years ago.  Sure, it could go up.  But let’s face it, what 
 did they announce.  A couple phablets which are really just catching up to 
 competition, and a smartwatch for next year.  Samsung is already mocking 
 the iPhone 6+ in their Galaxy Note 4 ads, and how sure are you that a $349 
 smartwatch will be the next must-have gadget?  And iPad sales have slowed 
 because once people have one, they don’t trade up to the next version like 
 they do phones, and a lot of them are WiFi only and not tied to a carrier 2 
 year cycle.
  
  
 From: Bruce Robertson via Af
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:46 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.
  
 I only agree with your investment advisor if you're within 2-5 years of 
 retirement and you will be relying on those assets to live on.  Otherwise, 
 he/she is steering you wrong.  IMO, of course.  Your example of AAPL 
 illustrates exactly why.  You need to totally ignore short term stock 
 market swings, and keep some cash on hand for buying when plunges like 2008 
 happen.  BTW this takes nerves of steel.
 
 On 09/20/2014 12:24 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
 FWIW, my investment advisor got me out of AAPL, and advises decreasing 
 stocks at this point especially those that don’t pay dividends and moving 
 a higher percentage into bonds.  Of course risk tolerance varies with age 
 (how many years you have left to recover from a big loss).  But he 
 evidently feels stocks have run up to the point where they are getting 
 risky.
  
 Regarding AAPL, I had quite a paper loss at one time, finally recovered 
 and made a nice profit, but it looked pretty grim for awhile.  The myth 
 was it would only go one way - up.  Problem with Apple is they always have 
 to hit it out of the park, merely having a good quarter is a 
 disappointment.  It must be like being a magician, but if you pulled a 
 rabbit out of your hat last night, tonight you need to pull a lion out of 
 the hat, and tomorrow a rhinoceros.  Wait, I’m thinking of Rocky and 
 Bullwinkle.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRW7pITY5Cg
 I could swear there was one where he pulled Rocky out of the hat.
  
  
 From: Mike Hammett via