Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Steve Jones]

Is this a legislative attempt to get anti net neutrality case law on record?

On Feb 8, 2018 10:10 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

We are currently using Barracuda units.  By the end of next month, we be
offering that service which will require secondary login for parents to get
through to unfiltered internet.



Rory



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)



+2

Moral issues entirely aside, the business risk in making yourself no longer
a neutral carrier of information,but something that has a "clean" internet
service, is too high. Just wait until some religious zealot sues you
because their 12 year old discovered a certain video of a boeing engineer
and a horse.



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

+1.

Agree.

This is a rat hole with no bottom.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 2/6/2018 6:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:

We're a dumb pipe, not the police, get off my lawn. How about you let
people live their lives and make their own decisions.

On 2/6/2018 11:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:

(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).

�

�

�

Some random thoughts.

�

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.� If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.�

�

Do we also block Bit Torrent?

XBox Grand Theft Auto

Any game with online chat.� Scrub online chat during games?

All game servers

Twitter

Instagram

Youtube

News outlets

Facebook

Email

Instant messaging

Periscope

Streaming

FTP

IRC

�

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.� I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.�

�

What is defined as harmful content?� Medical, artistic, Bible
readings?� Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.�

Language, if so what language?� Bare shoulders. Knees?

Curtains blowing in the breeze.

�

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.�

Do we have to police music.� Police Pandora.�

�

There are always ways around.

For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

�

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.� Filters are
gimmicks.� Snake oil.�

But we do offer them.� Not home grown.� They are 3rd party.�

�

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Rory Conaway]

We are currently using Barracuda units.  By the end of next month, we be 
offering that service which will require secondary login for parents to get 
through to unfiltered internet.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

+2
Moral issues entirely aside, the business risk in making yourself no longer a 
neutral carrier of information,but something that has a "clean" internet 
service, is too high. Just wait until some religious zealot sues you because 
their 12 year old discovered a certain video of a boeing engineer and a horse.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Bill Prince 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

+1.

Agree.

This is a rat hole with no bottom.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 2/6/2018 6:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
We're a dumb pipe, not the police, get off my lawn. How about you let people 
live their lives and make their own decisions.
On 2/6/2018 11:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the legislative 
working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
�
�
�
Some random thoughts.
�
If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.� If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us 
whether it is porn or online banking.�
�
Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.� Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC
�
The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.� I could send porn via pings 
if I wanted.�
�
What is defined as harmful content?� Medical, artistic, Bible readings?� 
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.�
Language, if so what language?� Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.
�
How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.�
Do we have to police music.� Police Pandora.�
�
There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
�
Filters can give parents a false sense of security.� Filters are gimmicks.� 
Snake oil.�
But we do offer them.� Not home grown.� They are 3rd party.�
�

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Chuck McCown]

Genesis 29 and 39 have some similar content.  Lots daughters etc.  

I do have to say, I wish I could be like one of them there male consorts like 
when I was a young fella.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Ezekiel 23:20 (CEBA) She lusted after their male consorts, whose sexual organs 
were like those of donkeys, and whose ejaculation was like that of horses.


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:07 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the 
legislative working group:
  (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



  Some random thoughts.

  If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us 
whether it is porn or online banking.  

  Do we also block Bit Torrent?
  XBox Grand Theft Auto
  Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
  All game servers
  Twitter
  Instagram
  Youtube
  News outlets
  Facebook
  Email
  Instant messaging
  Periscope
  Streaming
  FTP
  IRC

  The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via pings 
if I wanted.  

  What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?  
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.  
  Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
  Curtains blowing in the breeze.

  How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.  
  Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.  

  There are always ways around. 
  For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

  Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.  
Snake oil.  
  But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Eric Kuhnke]

+2

Moral issues entirely aside, the business risk in making yourself no longer
a neutral carrier of information,but something that has a "clean" internet
service, is too high. Just wait until some religious zealot sues you
because their 12 year old discovered a certain video of a boeing engineer
and a horse.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> +1.
>
> Agree.
>
> This is a rat hole with no bottom.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/6/2018 6:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> We're a dumb pipe, not the police, get off my lawn. How about you let
> people live their lives and make their own decisions.
>
> On 2/6/2018 11:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
> legislative working group:
> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
> �
> �
> �
> Some random thoughts.
> �
> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.� If you are
> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
> whether it is porn or online banking.�
> �
> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
> XBox Grand Theft Auto
> Any game with online chat.� Scrub online chat during games?
> All game servers
> Twitter
> Instagram
> Youtube
> News outlets
> Facebook
> Email
> Instant messaging
> Periscope
> Streaming
> FTP
> IRC
> �
> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.� I could send porn via
> pings if I wanted.�
> �
> What is defined as harmful content?� Medical, artistic, Bible
> readings?� Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.�
> Language, if so what language?� Bare shoulders. Knees?
> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
> �
> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.�
> Do we have to police music.� Police Pandora.�
> �
> There are always ways around.
> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
> �
> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.� Filters are
> gimmicks.� Snake oil.�
> But we do offer them.� Not home grown.� They are 3rd party.�
> �
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Eric Kuhnke]

*Ezekiel 23:20 (CEBA)*
 She lusted after
their male consorts, whose sexual organs were like those of donkeys, and
whose ejaculation was like that of horses.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:07 AM,  wrote:

> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
> legislative working group:
> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>
>
>
> Some random thoughts.
>
> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
> whether it is porn or online banking.
>
> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
> XBox Grand Theft Auto
> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
> All game servers
> Twitter
> Instagram
> Youtube
> News outlets
> Facebook
> Email
> Instant messaging
> Periscope
> Streaming
> FTP
> IRC
>
> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
> pings if I wanted.
>
> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>
> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>
> There are always ways around.
> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>
> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
> gimmicks.  Snake oil.
> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Jaime Solorza]

Hypocrisy

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 8, 2018 7:34 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And the funniest part is that actual historical Puritans were all about
> the weird sex AND public displays of it.  It just couldn't be adultery.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/7/2018 9:20:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
> If you look at the rest of the world, many seem to believe the US has
>> this really weird Puritanical view of the world where gory violence is
>> 100% okay, but you must be at least 18 years old to see a naked human
>> being.
>>
>> And they're not wrong.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> who is filtering the analog mediums in this world? they no longer call it
>>> "sex ed" because its now health ed and no longer is black and white
>>> science,
>>> more soft core porn. Driving down any road where theres any one if fifty
>>> billion "protests" going on, pussy hats, signs filled with vulgarity,
>>> women
>>> wearing boxes with handholes to finger them through for sexual assault,
>>> apparently its now a teachers sport to have orgies with students. women
>>> in
>>> restauraints flopping the feedbags out and making sure everyone looks
>>> before
>>> feeding their babies instead of just dropping a shoulder blanket, parades
>>> full of cross dressing porn acts, and my personal favorite, our airforce
>>> drawing huge penises in the sky (heh).. the world is gone to hell
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
>>>> religious ideals.
>>>>
>>>> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house
>>>> filtering
>>>> product.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for
>>>> the
>>>> smaller ISPs.
>>>>
>>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>>>
>>>> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
>>>> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
>>>> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
>>>> population.
>>>>
>>>> Fucking. Morons.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>>>>>> legislative working group:
>>>>>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some random thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>>>>>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> whether it is porn or online banking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>>>>>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
>>>>>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>>>>>> All game servers
>>>>>> Twitter
>>>>>> Instagram
>>>>>> Youtube
>>>>>> News outlets
>>>>>> Facebook
>>>>>> Email
>>>>>> Instant messaging
>>>>>> Periscope
>>>>>> Streaming
>>>>>> FTP
>>>>>> IRC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn
>>>>>> via
>>>>>> pings if I wanted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible
>>>>>> readings?
>>>>>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>>>>>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>>>>>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>>>>>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are always ways around.
>>>>>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
>>>>>> gimmicks.
>>>>>> Snake oil.
>>>>>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Adam Moffett]

And the funniest part is that actual historical Puritans were all about 
the weird sex AND public displays of it.  It just couldn't be adultery.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/7/2018 9:20:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)


If you look at the rest of the world, many seem to believe the US has
this really weird Puritanical view of the world where gory violence is
100% okay, but you must be at least 18 years old to see a naked human
being.

And they're not wrong.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
who is filtering the analog mediums in this world? they no longer call 
it
"sex ed" because its now health ed and no longer is black and white 
science,
more soft core porn. Driving down any road where theres any one if 
fifty
billion "protests" going on, pussy hats, signs filled with vulgarity, 
women
wearing boxes with handholes to finger them through for sexual 
assault,
apparently its now a teachers sport to have orgies with students. 
women in
restauraints flopping the feedbags out and making sure everyone looks 
before
feeding their babies instead of just dropping a shoulder blanket, 
parades
full of cross dressing porn acts, and my personal favorite, our 
airforce

drawing huge penises in the sky (heh).. the world is gone to hell

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, 
just

religious ideals.

The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house 
filtering

product.

Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption 
for the

smaller ISPs.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish 
new
Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places 
to
finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas 
on

population.

Fucking. Morons.

On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the 
same to

us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn 
via

pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible 
readings?

Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around 
it.


Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Jason McKemie]

That's probably because we, as a culture, do have a really weird
puritanical view of the world :)

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> If you look at the rest of the world, many seem to believe the US has
> this really weird Puritanical view of the world where gory violence is
> 100% okay, but you must be at least 18 years old to see a naked human
> being.
>
> And they're not wrong.
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > who is filtering the analog mediums in this world? they no longer call it
> > "sex ed" because its now health ed and no longer is black and white
> science,
> > more soft core porn. Driving down any road where theres any one if fifty
> > billion "protests" going on, pussy hats, signs filled with vulgarity,
> women
> > wearing boxes with handholes to finger them through for sexual assault,
> > apparently its now a teachers sport to have orgies with students. women
> in
> > restauraints flopping the feedbags out and making sure everyone looks
> before
> > feeding their babies instead of just dropping a shoulder blanket, parades
> > full of cross dressing porn acts, and my personal favorite, our airforce
> > drawing huge penises in the sky (heh).. the world is gone to hell
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
> >> religious ideals.
> >>
> >> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house
> filtering
> >> product.
> >>
> >> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for
> the
> >> smaller ISPs.
> >>
> >> From: Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
> >>
> >> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
> >> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
> >> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
> >> population.
> >>
> >> Fucking. Morons.
> >>
> >> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
> >>>
> >>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
> >>>> legislative working group:
> >>>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Some random thoughts.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
> >>>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same
> to
> >>>> us
> >>>> whether it is porn or online banking.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
> >>>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
> >>>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
> >>>> All game servers
> >>>> Twitter
> >>>> Instagram
> >>>> Youtube
> >>>> News outlets
> >>>> Facebook
> >>>> Email
> >>>> Instant messaging
> >>>> Periscope
> >>>> Streaming
> >>>> FTP
> >>>> IRC
> >>>>
> >>>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn
> via
> >>>> pings if I wanted.
> >>>>
> >>>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible
> readings?
> >>>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
> >>>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
> >>>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
> >>>>
> >>>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
> >>>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are always ways around.
> >>>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
> >>>> gimmicks.
> >>>> Snake oil.
> >>>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Jaime Solorza]

Hum. Interesting paradox...imposing religious ideals on people...where have
I heard and seen that before?
Hypocrisy at it's finest.   In this country you can choose to believe in a
turnip as your supreme being for all I care.  Que pinchi mamadas!
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 7, 2018 1:26 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
> religious ideals.
>
> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering
> product.
>
> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the
> smaller ISPs.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
> population.
>
> Fucking. Morons.
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>
>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>>> legislative working group:
>>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some random thoughts.
>>>
>>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to
>>> us
>>> whether it is porn or online banking.
>>>
>>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
>>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>>> All game servers
>>> Twitter
>>> Instagram
>>> Youtube
>>> News outlets
>>> Facebook
>>> Email
>>> Instant messaging
>>> Periscope
>>> Streaming
>>> FTP
>>> IRC
>>>
>>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
>>> pings if I wanted.
>>>
>>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
>>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>>>
>>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>>>
>>> There are always ways around.
>>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>>>
>>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
>>> gimmicks.
>>> Snake oil.
>>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Josh Reynolds]

If you look at the rest of the world, many seem to believe the US has
this really weird Puritanical view of the world where gory violence is
100% okay, but you must be at least 18 years old to see a naked human
being.

And they're not wrong.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> who is filtering the analog mediums in this world? they no longer call it
> "sex ed" because its now health ed and no longer is black and white science,
> more soft core porn. Driving down any road where theres any one if fifty
> billion "protests" going on, pussy hats, signs filled with vulgarity, women
> wearing boxes with handholes to finger them through for sexual assault,
> apparently its now a teachers sport to have orgies with students. women in
> restauraints flopping the feedbags out and making sure everyone looks before
> feeding their babies instead of just dropping a shoulder blanket, parades
> full of cross dressing porn acts, and my personal favorite, our airforce
> drawing huge penises in the sky (heh).. the world is gone to hell
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
>> religious ideals.
>>
>> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering
>> product.
>>
>> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the
>> smaller ISPs.
>>
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>
>> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
>> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
>> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
>> population.
>>
>> Fucking. Morons.
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>>
>>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>>>> legislative working group:
>>>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some random thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>>>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to
>>>> us
>>>> whether it is porn or online banking.
>>>>
>>>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>>>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
>>>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>>>> All game servers
>>>> Twitter
>>>> Instagram
>>>> Youtube
>>>> News outlets
>>>> Facebook
>>>> Email
>>>> Instant messaging
>>>> Periscope
>>>> Streaming
>>>> FTP
>>>> IRC
>>>>
>>>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
>>>> pings if I wanted.
>>>>
>>>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
>>>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>>>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>>>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>>>>
>>>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>>>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>>>>
>>>> There are always ways around.
>>>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>>>>
>>>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
>>>> gimmicks.
>>>> Snake oil.
>>>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Bill Prince]

What other kind of TV is there?

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> Many politicians took office when their home TV’s were Black and White.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:27 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
>
>
> Again I say not our problem. Stop trying to force us to be the police.
> We're just a dumb pipe. I'm sure someone has countered that before by
> saying the gov't says only clean water can be put in your utility/city
> provided water pipe. There's an obvious physical danger with contaminated
> water. They say it's the same, but it's not the same, because politicians
> are technologically retarded. If anything, they should put this on the
> content providers. You know, the ones that said Net Neutrality was needed
> so their content can't be blocked.
>
> On 2/7/2018 2:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
> religious ideals.
>
>
>
> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering
> product.
>
>
>
> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the
> smaller ISPs.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
>
>
> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
> population.
>
>
>
> Fucking. Morons.
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
> legislative working group:
> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>
>
>
> Some random thoughts.
>
> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
> whether it is porn or online banking.
>
> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
> XBox Grand Theft Auto
> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
> All game servers
> Twitter
> Instagram
> Youtube
> News outlets
> Facebook
> Email
> Instant messaging
> Periscope
> Streaming
> FTP
> IRC
>
> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
> pings if I wanted.
>
> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>
> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>
> There are always ways around.
> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>
> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
> Snake oil.
> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Rory Conaway]

Many politicians took office when their home TV’s were Black and White.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Again I say not our problem. Stop trying to force us to be the police. We're 
just a dumb pipe. I'm sure someone has countered that before by saying the 
gov't says only clean water can be put in your utility/city provided water 
pipe. There's an obvious physical danger with contaminated water. They say it's 
the same, but it's not the same, because politicians are technologically 
retarded. If anything, they should put this on the content providers. You know, 
the ones that said Net Neutrality was needed so their content can't be blocked.
On 2/7/2018 2:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just 
religious ideals.

The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering 
product.

Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the 
smaller ISPs.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new Mormon 
religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to finally settle 
in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on population.

Fucking. Morons.

On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[George Skorup]

Again I say not our problem. Stop trying to force us to be the police. 
We're just a dumb pipe. I'm sure someone has countered that before by 
saying the gov't says only clean water can be put in your utility/city 
provided water pipe. There's an obvious physical danger with 
contaminated water. They say it's the same, but it's not the same, 
because politicians are technologically retarded. If anything, they 
should put this on the content providers. You know, the ones that said 
Net Neutrality was needed so their content can't be blocked.


On 2/7/2018 2:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, 
just religious ideals.
The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house 
filtering product.
Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for 
the smaller ISPs.

*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish 
new Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of 
places to finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force 
religious ideas on population.

Fucking. Morons.
On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following
to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If
you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks
the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send
porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible
readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you
around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security. Filters
are gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Steve Jones]

who is filtering the analog mediums in this world? they no longer call it
"sex ed" because its now health ed and no longer is black and white
science, more soft core porn. Driving down any road where theres any one if
fifty billion "protests" going on, pussy hats, signs filled with vulgarity,
women wearing boxes with handholes to finger them through for sexual
assault, apparently its now a teachers sport to have orgies with students.
women in restauraints flopping the feedbags out and making sure everyone
looks before feeding their babies instead of just dropping a shoulder
blanket, parades full of cross dressing porn acts, and my personal
favorite, our airforce drawing huge penises in the sky (heh).. the world is
gone to hell

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
> religious ideals.
>
> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering
> product.
>
> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the
> smaller ISPs.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
> population.
>
> Fucking. Morons.
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>>
>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>>> legislative working group:
>>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some random thoughts.
>>>
>>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to
>>> us
>>> whether it is porn or online banking.
>>>
>>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
>>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>>> All game servers
>>> Twitter
>>> Instagram
>>> Youtube
>>> News outlets
>>> Facebook
>>> Email
>>> Instant messaging
>>> Periscope
>>> Streaming
>>> FTP
>>> IRC
>>>
>>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
>>> pings if I wanted.
>>>
>>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
>>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>>>
>>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>>>
>>> There are always ways around.
>>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>>>
>>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
>>> gimmicks.
>>> Snake oil.
>>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[chuck]

Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just 
religious ideals.  

The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering 
product.

Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the 
smaller ISPs.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new Mormon 
religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to finally settle 
in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on population.

Fucking. Morons.

On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Proposed legislation in Utah.

  -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

  Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

  On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Jay Weekley]

How will they police data connections that originate outside of Utah or 
VPNs?


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same 
to us

whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are 
gimmicks.

Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.




---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Josh Reynolds]

Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
population.

Fucking. Morons.

On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Proposed legislation in Utah.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
>
> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>> legislative working group:
>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>>
>>
>>
>> Some random thoughts.
>>
>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
>> whether it is porn or online banking.
>>
>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>> All game servers
>> Twitter
>> Instagram
>> Youtube
>> News outlets
>> Facebook
>> Email
>> Instant messaging
>> Periscope
>> Streaming
>> FTP
>> IRC
>>
>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
>> pings if I wanted.
>>
>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>>
>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>>
>> There are always ways around.
>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>>
>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
>> Snake oil.
>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[chuck]

Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Josh Reynolds]

NVM, I see it now...

Whoever says this stuff needs to be ripped from office or position,
kicking and screaming. Not only do they not understand technology, but
they have no idea how the real world works outside of their bubble.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:
>> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>> legislative working group:
>> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>>
>>
>>
>> Some random thoughts.
>>
>> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
>> whether it is porn or online banking.
>>
>> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>> XBox Grand Theft Auto
>> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>> All game servers
>> Twitter
>> Instagram
>> Youtube
>> News outlets
>> Facebook
>> Email
>> Instant messaging
>> Periscope
>> Streaming
>> FTP
>> IRC
>>
>> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
>> pings if I wanted.
>>
>> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
>> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>>
>> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>>
>> There are always ways around.
>> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>>
>> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
>> Snake oil.
>> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Bill Prince]

+1.

Agree.

This is a rat hole with no bottom.


bp


On 2/6/2018 6:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
We're a dumb pipe, not the police, get off my lawn. How about you let 
people live their lives and make their own decisions.


On 2/6/2018 11:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the 
legislative working group:

(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
�
�
�
Some random thoughts.
�
If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.� If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same 
to us whether it is porn or online banking.�

�
Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.� Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC
�
The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.� I could send porn 
via pings if I wanted.�

�
What is defined as harmful content?� Medical, artistic, Bible 
readings?� Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.�

Language, if so what language?� Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.
�
How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.�
Do we have to police music.� Police Pandora.�
�
There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
�
Filters can give parents a false sense of security.� Filters are 
gimmicks.� Snake oil.�

But we do offer them.� Not home grown.� They are 3rd party.�
�

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Josh Reynolds]

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:
> Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
> legislative working group:
> (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
>
>
>
> Some random thoughts.
>
> If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
> attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
> whether it is porn or online banking.
>
> Do we also block Bit Torrent?
> XBox Grand Theft Auto
> Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
> All game servers
> Twitter
> Instagram
> Youtube
> News outlets
> Facebook
> Email
> Instant messaging
> Periscope
> Streaming
> FTP
> IRC
>
> The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
> pings if I wanted.
>
> What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
> Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
> Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
> Curtains blowing in the breeze.
>
> How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
> Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
>
> There are always ways around.
> For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
>
> Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
> Snake oil.
> But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[George Skorup]

We're a dumb pipe, not the police, get off my lawn. How about you let 
people live their lives and make their own decisions.


On 2/6/2018 11:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the 
legislative working group:

(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
Some random thoughts.
If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.� If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same 
to us whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.� Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC
The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.� I could send porn 
via pings if I wanted.
What is defined as harmful content?� Medical, artistic, Bible 
readings?� Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.

Language, if so what language?� Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.
How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.� Police Pandora.
There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
Filters can give parents a false sense of security.� Filters are 
gimmicks.� Snake oil.

But we do offer them.� Not home grown.� They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Bill Prince]

Or you can just check for hair on their palms or blindness.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/6/2018 10:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
When my kids were teenagers we had a computer room that had no door 
and was open to the TV room.  High traffic area.  We had 8 kids so 
lots of people, lots of eyes.
I still referred to the computer room as the masturbatorium much to 
their chagrin.

*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
"I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room 
(four 8 – 18 yr old boys, lol!)"


Whenever I'm ask how to keep kids from goofing off on the computer, my 
response is always the same.  Put the Computer(s) in the most high 
traffic room of the house, facing into the room.


On 2/6/2018 11:59 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


I like those comments.

Went they first passed a form of this, I asked their task group to 
send me “the list”.


They couldn’t do it, and therefore it was not enforceable.

I’m thinking again, unless a state provides “the list”, they can’t 
force an ISP to do anything about it.


Plus it’s entirely fruitless.

They should really go after the content provider networks with better 
abilities to code protect and lock down content.


Like culinary water, I would like to have something potable for my kids.

But I don’t want the overhead as an ISP, and the definition of 
“potable” water is undefinable really.


They need to leave the “pipe” alone, and focus on the ends, the third 
party filters is where it’s at, and the CDN’s providing better tools.


I can’t properly filter, or code protect even my Netflix on most devices.

I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room 
(four 8 – 18 yr old boys, lol!) and use Qustodio where possible.


As it is, I’ve had to lock down most stuff to either ON or OFF and I 
took back the smartphone my oldest had because of this.


Now he has a flip phone with no internet.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the 
legislative working group:


(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).

Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted. If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same 
to us whether it is porn or online banking.


Do we also block Bit Torrent?

XBox Grand Theft Auto

Any game with online chat. Scrub online chat during games?

All game servers

Twitter

Instagram

Youtube

News outlets

Facebook

Email

Instant messaging

Periscope

Streaming

FTP

IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn 
via pings if I wanted.


What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible 
readings?  Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.


Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?

Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.

Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.

For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are 
gimmicks.  Snake oil.


But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[chuck]

When my kids were teenagers we had a computer room that had no door and was 
open to the TV room.  High traffic area.  We had 8 kids so lots of people, lots 
of eyes.  

I still referred to the computer room as the masturbatorium much to their 
chagrin.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

"I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room (four 8 – 
18 yr old boys, lol!)"

Whenever I'm ask how to keep kids from goofing off on the computer, my response 
is always the same.  Put the Computer(s) in the most high traffic room of the 
house, facing into the room.


On 2/6/2018 11:59 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  I like those comments.

   

  Went they first passed a form of this, I asked their task group to send me 
“the list”.

  They couldn’t do it, and therefore it was not enforceable.

   

  I’m thinking again, unless a state provides “the list”, they can’t force an 
ISP to do anything about it.

   

  Plus it’s entirely fruitless.

   

  They should really go after the content provider networks with better 
abilities to code protect and lock down content.

   

  Like culinary water, I would like to have something potable for my kids.

  But I don’t want the overhead as an ISP, and the definition of “potable” 
water is undefinable really.

   

  They need to leave the “pipe” alone, and focus on the ends, the third party 
filters is where it’s at, and the CDN’s providing better tools.

   

  I can’t properly filter, or code protect even my Netflix on most devices.

  I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room (four 8 
– 18 yr old boys, lol!) and use Qustodio where possible.

  As it is, I’ve had to lock down most stuff to either ON or OFF and I took 
back the smartphone my oldest had because of this.

  Now he has a flip phone with no internet.

   

   

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:07 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

   

  Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the 
legislative working group:

  (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).

   

   

   

  Some random thoughts.

   

  If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us 
whether it is porn or online banking.  

   

  Do we also block Bit Torrent?

  XBox Grand Theft Auto

  Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?

  All game servers

  Twitter

  Instagram

  Youtube

  News outlets

  Facebook

  Email

  Instant messaging

  Periscope

  Streaming

  FTP

  IRC

   

  The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via pings 
if I wanted.  

   

  What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?  
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.  

  Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?

  Curtains blowing in the breeze.

   

  How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.  

  Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.  

   

  There are always ways around. 

  For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

   

  Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.  
Snake oil.  

  But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.  

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Nate Burke]

"I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room 
(four 8 – 18 yr old boys, lol!)"


Whenever I'm ask how to keep kids from goofing off on the computer, my 
response is always the same.  Put the Computer(s) in the most high 
traffic room of the house, facing into the room.


On 2/6/2018 11:59 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


I like those comments.

Went they first passed a form of this, I asked their task group to 
send me “the list”.


They couldn’t do it, and therefore it was not enforceable.

I’m thinking again, unless a state provides “the list”, they can’t 
force an ISP to do anything about it.


Plus it’s entirely fruitless.

They should really go after the content provider networks with better 
abilities to code protect and lock down content.


Like culinary water, I would like to have something potable for my kids.

But I don’t want the overhead as an ISP, and the definition of 
“potable” water is undefinable really.


They need to leave the “pipe” alone, and focus on the ends, the third 
party filters is where it’s at, and the CDN’s providing better tools.


I can’t properly filter, or code protect even my Netflix on most devices.

I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room 
(four 8 – 18 yr old boys, lol!) and use Qustodio where possible.


As it is, I’ve had to lock down most stuff to either ON or OFF and I 
took back the smartphone my oldest had because of this.


Now he has a flip phone with no internet.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the 
legislative working group:


(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).

Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same 
to us whether it is porn or online banking.


Do we also block Bit Torrent?

XBox Grand Theft Auto

Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?

All game servers

Twitter

Instagram

Youtube

News outlets

Facebook

Email

Instant messaging

Periscope

Streaming

FTP

IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn 
via pings if I wanted.


What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible 
readings?  Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.


Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?

Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.

Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.

For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are 
gimmicks.  Snake oil.


But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Sterling Jacobson]

I like those comments.

Went they first passed a form of this, I asked their task group to send me "the 
list".
They couldn't do it, and therefore it was not enforceable.

I'm thinking again, unless a state provides "the list", they can't force an ISP 
to do anything about it.

Plus it's entirely fruitless.

They should really go after the content provider networks with better abilities 
to code protect and lock down content.

Like culinary water, I would like to have something potable for my kids.
But I don't want the overhead as an ISP, and the definition of "potable" water 
is undefinable really.

They need to leave the "pipe" alone, and focus on the ends, the third party 
filters is where it's at, and the CDN's providing better tools.

I can't properly filter, or code protect even my Netflix on most devices.
I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room (four 8 - 
18 yr old boys, lol!) and use Qustodio where possible.
As it is, I've had to lock down most stuff to either ON or OFF and I took back 
the smartphone my oldest had because of this.
Now he has a flip phone with no internet.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the legislative 
working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are attempting 
to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us whether it is 
porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via pings 
if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?  
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.  
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Adam Moffett]

Too late nowbut you could make an analogy to drug smuggling.
I read once that with everything we spend on the DEA and border patrol 
(I think it's over a hundred billion per year) we catch about 2% of 
illegal traffic.


You'd have to somehow inspect and decrypt every packet to be 100% 
successful.  The border patrol equivalent would be to stop every vehicle 
and strip it down to parts and put it back together.  100% effective at 
finding the drugs, but not worth it.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2018 12:07:28 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the 
legislative working group:

(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to 
us whether it is porn or online banking.


Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via 
pings if I wanted.


What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings? 
 Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.

Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are 
gimmicks.  Snake oil.

But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

[AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[chuck]

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the legislative 
working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are attempting 
to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us whether it is 
porn or online banking.  

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via pings 
if I wanted.  

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?  
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.  
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.  
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.  

There are always ways around. 
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.  
Snake oil.  
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.