Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-31 Thread Joe
Pic attached of a serrated blade with a small chute

 

 



 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

 

I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of issues with 
the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my opinion is only 
good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors around here are 
required to do chute.

 

We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the largest 
RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.




Regards,
Chuck

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated plow 
blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.  

 

From: Joe 

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

 

Great question… there is a few key differences.

 

With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes we put 
in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a customer wants 
power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)

 

If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute… 

 

If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.

   Many or sharp curves… use a chute

   Or plan for adding couplers

 

If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe stretching.

If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a chute

 

Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the first 
pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull the product.

 

If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I 
haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute. 

 

Friction is not your friend when pulling… 

 

And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction / weight / 
HP.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

 

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know pulling 
limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.

 



Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-31 Thread Chuck McCown
I am a big believer in vibratory plows.  

From: Chuck Hogg 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

That's correct.  The wider the width, the more friction. 

We use a blade that can install a 3/4" conduit or cable size on the 410.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

  I assume there are different widths? For instance a wide enough chute to get 
a flat drop cable through vs 3/4" conduit - I would imagine this would affect 
the depth you were able to go?

  On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

That size machine, probably an 18" depth would be the max I would attempt 
with a chute blade. 

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

  What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx? 


  On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of 
issues with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my 
opinion is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors 
around here are required to do chute. 

We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the 
largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated 
plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.  

  From: Joe 
  Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

  Great question… there is a few key differences.



  With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, 
sometimes we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if 
a customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)



  If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute… 



  If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP 
needed.

 Many or sharp curves… use a chute

 Or plan for adding couplers



  If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe 
stretching.

  If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for 
a chute



  Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on 
the first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull 
the product.



  If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job. 
 I haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute. 



  Friction is not your friend when pulling… 



  And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction / 
weight / HP.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
      To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade



  Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know 
pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.





Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
We do 24" in clay.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of
>> issues with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my
>> opinion is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors
>> around here are required to do chute.
>>
>> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
>> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
>>> plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joe
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>
>>>
>>> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes
>>> we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a
>>> customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>>>
>>>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>>>
>>>Or plan for adding couplers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
>>> stretching.
>>>
>>> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
>>> chute
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the
>>> first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull
>>> the product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I
>>> haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
>>> weight / HP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
>>> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>>>
>>
>>


Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
That's correct.  The wider the width, the more friction.

We use a blade that can install a 3/4" conduit or cable size on the 410.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I assume there are different widths? For instance a wide enough chute to
> get a flat drop cable through vs 3/4" conduit - I would imagine this would
> affect the depth you were able to go?
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
>> That size machine, probably an 18" depth would be the max I would attempt
>> with a chute blade.
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of
>>>> issues with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my
>>>> opinion is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors
>>>> around here are required to do chute.
>>>>
>>>> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
>>>> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
>>>>> plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Joe
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage,
>>>>> sometimes we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for
>>>>> power if a customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>>>>>
>>>>>Or plan for adding couplers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
>>>>> stretching.
>>>>>
>>>>> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
>>>>> chute
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on
>>>>> the first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and
>>>>> pull the product.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.
>>>>> I haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
>>>>> weight / HP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
>>>>> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>


Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-30 Thread Jason McKemie
I assume there are different widths? For instance a wide enough chute to
get a flat drop cable through vs 3/4" conduit - I would imagine this would
affect the depth you were able to go?

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> That size machine, probably an 18" depth would be the max I would attempt
> with a chute blade.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');>> wrote:
>
>> What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@shelbybb.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of
>>> issues with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my
>>> opinion is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors
>>> around here are required to do chute.
>>>
>>> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
>>> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
>>>> plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Joe
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage,
>>>> sometimes we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for
>>>> power if a customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>>>>
>>>>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>>>>
>>>>Or plan for adding couplers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
>>>> stretching.
>>>>
>>>> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
>>>> chute
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on
>>>> the first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and
>>>> pull the product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.
>>>> I haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
>>>> weight / HP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
>>>> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>


Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-30 Thread Chris Fabien
That size machine, probably an 18" depth would be the max I would attempt
with a chute blade.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of
>> issues with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my
>> opinion is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors
>> around here are required to do chute.
>>
>> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
>> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
>>> plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joe
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>
>>>
>>> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes
>>> we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a
>>> customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>>>
>>>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>>>
>>>Or plan for adding couplers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
>>> stretching.
>>>
>>> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
>>> chute
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the
>>> first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull
>>> the product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I
>>> haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
>>> weight / HP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
>>> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>>>
>>
>>


Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-30 Thread Jason McKemie
What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of issues
> with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my opinion
> is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors around
> here are required to do chute.
>
> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
>> plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>>
>> *From:* Joe
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>
>>
>> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>>
>>
>>
>> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes
>> we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a
>> customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>>
>>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>>
>>Or plan for adding couplers
>>
>>
>>
>> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
>> stretching.
>>
>> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
>> chute
>>
>>
>>
>> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the
>> first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull
>> the product.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I
>> haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>>
>>
>>
>> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>>
>>
>>
>> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
>> weight / HP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Jason
>> McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>
>>
>>
>> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
>> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>>
>
>


Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-30 Thread Chuck Hogg
I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of issues
with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my opinion
is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors around
here are required to do chute.

We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated plow
> blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>
> *From:* Joe
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>
>
> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>
>
>
> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes
> we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a
> customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>
>
>
> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>
>
>
> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>
>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>
>Or plan for adding couplers
>
>
>
> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
> stretching.
>
> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
> chute
>
>
>
> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the
> first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull
> the product.
>
>
>
> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I
> haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>
>
>
> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>
>
>
> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
> weight / HP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>
>
>
> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>


Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-26 Thread chuck
I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated plow 
blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.  

From: Joe 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

Great question… there is a few key differences.

 

With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes we put 
in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a customer wants 
power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)

 

If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute… 

 

If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.

   Many or sharp curves… use a chute

   Or plan for adding couplers

 

If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe stretching.

If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a chute

 

Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the first 
pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull the product.

 

If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I 
haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute. 

 

Friction is not your friend when pulling… 

 

And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction / weight / 
HP.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

 

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know pulling 
limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.


Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-26 Thread Joe
Great question… there is a few key differences.

 

With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes we put 
in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a customer wants 
power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)

 

If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute… 

 

If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.

   Many or sharp curves… use a chute

   Or plan for adding couplers

 

If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe stretching.

If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a chute

 

Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the first 
pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull the product.

 

If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I 
haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute. 

 

Friction is not your friend when pulling… 

 

And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction / weight / 
HP.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

 

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know pulling 
limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.



Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-26 Thread Jason McKemie
It's probably going to be a 410sx, but I wouldn't be doing anything bigger
than 3/4".

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:29 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I prefer a chute.  But you need a bigger machine for those.  Depends on
> what you are plowing I guess.  I have not seen 1.25” put in by pulling.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>
> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>


Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-26 Thread chuck
I prefer a chute.  But you need a bigger machine for those.  Depends on what 
you are plowing I guess.  I have not seen 1.25” put in by pulling.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know pulling 
limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-26 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
The chute is much harder to pull through the ground (in our experience).  The 
pulling blade pulls a narrow blade through whereas the chute has to open a 2” 
gap.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know pulling 
limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.


[AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

2017-05-26 Thread Jason McKemie
Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.