Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread Adam Moffett
Not a lawyer,but... DMCA is about copyright liability. The safe harbor provisions of the DMCA might shield you from copyright infringement liability if you transport copyrighted material across your network. You may have legal protections from transporting unlawful traffic, but if it isn't

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread Mark Radabaugh
We usually let business do Net 30 so occasionally they get away with 2 months. A lot of larger businesses have a hard time managing anything under 30 days. Mark > On Sep 4, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On 9/4/18 10:13 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >> Bankruptcy reorganization is

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread John Osmon
On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 12:24:15PM -0400, Adam Moffett wrote: [...] > The safe harbor bit of the DMCA says you are immune from any > responsibility for carrying the unlawful traffic if you stop the > unlawful traffic once you're made aware of it, and I'm not clear > that you're liable for carrying

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/4/18 10:13 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Bankruptcy reorganization is the one we come across fairly regularly where a court orders you not to disconnect to preserve the continuity of the business during the reorganization and the court will guarantee payment of the current service.    Of

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Bankruptcy reorganization is the one we come across fairly regularly where a court orders you not to disconnect to preserve the continuity of the business during the reorganization and the court will guarantee payment of the current service.Of course you get screwed on the service prior to

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread Dennis Burgess
What sux, is who is the state its unlawful. I hate that I have to disconnect a user IF I get enough notices, that’s insane. You are guilty and must prove your innocence, vs what the rest of world does, well most of the world. . Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of "Learn

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread Chuck McCown
There are some low income situations where you are legally forbidden to disconnect. I cannot remember if it is a bankruptcy, or divorce or just being on welfare but I have run into this before. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 10:24 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread Adam Moffett
Steve, Unless there's some special circumstance you're not under any obligation to provide service to anyone.  You could disconnect them for any reason you want.though obviously they don't have to pay you for the service if you're not delivering it.  I.E.: there's no basis to fight a

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread Steve Jones
Forwarding policies are invalidated, and there is caselaw to fight a disconnect. This better not end up with. Them targeting us again. Really though that'd still need a search warrant or subpoena to involve us wouldn't they? This is where net neutrality may have helped us, not that I want it

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-04 Thread Chuck McCown
I am thinking it would strengthen it. From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 9:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement hopefully this doesnt degrade safe harbor On Mon,

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-03 Thread Bill Prince
I agree. bp On 9/3/2018 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I think the court got it right.    From: Eric Kuhnke

Re: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement

2018-09-03 Thread chuck
I think the court got it right. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 10:50 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Court of appeals: IP address is not enough to sue someone for copyright infringement