Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Brian Sullivan]

The latest firmware for the AF series (all models) now calculates the 
expected signal level it's on the Main screen of the GUI as "Ideal".

It uses the GPS data to calculate FSL and assumes clear LOS.

On 12/26/2015 11:46 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Ok, cool.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Herrington
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Little late response

http://wisptools.net/tools-linkbudget.php  works really well, just remember it 
uses EIRP as transmit power with 0 dBm transmit power

RX = 38 gain,  TX = 33 gain

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440

Full Spectrum Communications
Consulting, Engineering, Installation
Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317 US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 
92602 Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  92780 800-897-7287, 
714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714 ch...@fsc.com http://www.fsc.com




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first on 
these units?

Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Sterling Jacobson]

Oh, ok, that's even better!



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

The latest firmware for the AF series (all models) now calculates the expected 
signal level it's on the Main screen of the GUI as "Ideal".
It uses the GPS data to calculate FSL and assumes clear LOS.

On 12/26/2015 11:46 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> Ok, cool.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Herrington
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:34 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Little late response
>
> http://wisptools.net/tools-linkbudget.php  works really well, just 
> remember it uses EIRP as transmit power with 0 dBm transmit power
>
> RX = 38 gain,  TX = 33 gain
>
> Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440
>
> Full Spectrum Communications
> Consulting, Engineering, Installation
> Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317 US Mail: PO Box 60905 
> Irvine CA 92602 Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  
> 92780 800-897-7287, 714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714 ch...@fsc.com 
> http://www.fsc.com
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:00 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
>
> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
>
> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first 
> on these units?
>
> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Chris Herrington]

Little late response  

http://wisptools.net/tools-linkbudget.php  works really well, just remember
it uses EIRP as transmit power with 0 dBm transmit power

RX = 38 gain,  TX = 33 gain

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist
FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440

Full Spectrum Communications
Consulting, Engineering, Installation
Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317
US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 92602
Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  92780
800-897-7287, 714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714
ch...@fsc.com
http://www.fsc.com




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first
on these units?

Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, cool.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Herrington
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Little late response  

http://wisptools.net/tools-linkbudget.php  works really well, just remember it 
uses EIRP as transmit power with 0 dBm transmit power

RX = 38 gain,  TX = 33 gain

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440

Full Spectrum Communications
Consulting, Engineering, Installation
Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317 US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 
92602 Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  92780 800-897-7287, 
714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714 ch...@fsc.com http://www.fsc.com




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first on 
these units?

Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Daniel White]

+1.  The other benefit to snow vs. rain is the droplet size (a rain drop is 
closer to the wavelengths we use vs. a snowflake).



Snow actually causes two different issues typically than fade thru Free Space.  
First, depending on the geometry of the link, may cause multipath where 
snowless conditions do not have it and two (and more likely) melting snow built 
up on the antenna and re-freezing builds ice on the radome and causes fade.



Thank you,



Daniel White

 <mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84> LinkedIn:  
<https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84> Twitter



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD



Snow in the air actually causes a lot less fade at =>11 GHz than the equivalent 
amount of rain. Even wet snow is relatively "dry" when it's in the air until it 
hits surfaces and starts congealing.



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Seriously though, how does that perform in wet, heavy snow at 3.5 miles?  I 
can't imagine it would be good.  I am in Utah too.  Am I wrong for engineering 
all of my 24GHz links at less than one mile?



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Work <timothy.pct...@gmail.com 
<mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take a look 
at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more just for AFX 
though not real clear on that


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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:

Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the following:-



1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles

2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/- 1-2db), your 
one side is rather off ...

(when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each side 
of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db

3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the gain 
high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x 
modulation...



Best of Luck



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518>  Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>




  _


From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net <mailto:sterl...@avative.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Ooops, wrong image, lol!



This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an attachment.







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD



You Sure ?



Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !



LOL!



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518>  Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>




  _


From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net 
<mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
What should I be seeing?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> ' <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first on 
these units?

Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(













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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Ken Hohhof]

You know what really sucks for multipath?  Heavy rain on frozen ground, sits 
there and freezes into a big skating rink out in the fields, and stays there 
until spring thaw.  Like a big RF mirror.

Other than that, RF seems to like winter.


From: Daniel White 
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 6:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

+1.  The other benefit to snow vs. rain is the droplet size (a rain drop is 
closer to the wavelengths we use vs. a snowflake).

 

Snow actually causes two different issues typically than fade thru Free Space.  
First, depending on the geometry of the link, may cause multipath where 
snowless conditions do not have it and two (and more likely) melting snow built 
up on the antenna and re-freezing builds ice on the radome and causes fade.

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

 

Snow in the air actually causes a lot less fade at =>11 GHz than the equivalent 
amount of rain. Even wet snow is relatively "dry" when it's in the air until it 
hits surfaces and starts congealing.

 

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Seriously though, how does that perform in wet, heavy snow at 3.5 miles?  I 
can't imagine it would be good.  I am in Utah too.  Am I wrong for engineering 
all of my 24GHz links at less than one mile?

   

  On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Work <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take a 
look at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more just for 
AFX though not real clear on that 


—
Sent from Mailbox 

 

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
wrote:

  Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the 
following:-

   

  1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles

  2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/- 
1-2db), your one side is rather off ...

  (when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each 
side of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db

  3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the 
gain high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x 
modulation... 

   

  Best of Luck

   

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

   


--

From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Ooops, wrong image, lol!

 

This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an 
attachment.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

 

You Sure ?

 

Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !

 

LOL!

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 




  From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
          Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

  Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.





  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
What should I be seeing?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling 
Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calcu

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Jeremy]

Great info, thanks!  I've lived here my whole life but I've never really
dealt with rain fade or snow fade.  I just assumed that snow would be worse
when it is coming down thick.  We really don't get many torrential rains
like you guys back East do.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> You know what really sucks for multipath?  Heavy rain on frozen ground,
> sits there and freezes into a big skating rink out in the fields, and stays
> there until spring thaw.  Like a big RF mirror.
>
> Other than that, RF seems to like winter.
>
>
> *From:* Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 6:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
>
> +1.  The other benefit to snow vs. rain is the droplet size (a rain drop
> is closer to the wavelengths we use vs. a snowflake).
>
>
>
> Snow actually causes two different issues typically than fade thru Free
> Space.  First, depending on the geometry of the link, may cause multipath
> where snowless conditions do not have it and two (and more likely) melting
> snow built up on the antenna and re-freezing builds ice on the radome and
> causes fade.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: Twitter
> <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:44 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
>
>
> Snow in the air actually causes a lot less fade at =>11 GHz than the
> equivalent amount of rain. Even wet snow is relatively "dry" when it's in
> the air until it hits surfaces and starts congealing.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Seriously though, how does that perform in wet, heavy snow at 3.5 miles?
> I can't imagine it would be good.  I am in Utah too.  Am I wrong for
> engineering all of my 24GHz links at less than one mile?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Work <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take a
> look at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more just
> for AFX though not real clear on that
>
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
> Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the
> following:-
>
>
>
> 1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles
>
> 2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/- 1-2db),
> your one side is rather off ...
>
> (when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each
> side of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db
>
> 3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the
> gain high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x
> modulation...
>
>
>
> Best of Luck
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>
>
>
> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an
> attachment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
>
>
> You Sure ?
>
>
>
> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
>
>
>
> LOL!
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Scott Vander Dussen]

We have AF 24HD at 1.39 miles, signal is -53.

`S

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 15:52
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the following:-

1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles
2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/- 1-2db), your 
one side is rather off ...
(when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each side 
of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db
3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the gain 
high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x 
modulation...

Best of Luck

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
Ooops, wrong image, lol!

This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an attachment.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

You Sure ?

Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !

LOL!

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:


Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
What should I be seeing?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first on 
these units?

Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Faisal Imtiaz]

You Sure ? 

Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port ! 

LOL! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net >
> wrote:

>> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
>> What should I be seeing?

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
>> To: ' af@afmug.com ' < af@afmug.com >
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

>> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

>> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

>> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
>> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first 
>> on
>> these units?

>> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Cassidy B. Larson]

We have an AF24HD at 4.5 miles.. a few dB off on one of the sides, but it does 
alright and giving full modulation…except for heavy rain fade :)



> On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
> 
> Sterling is in Utah tho so 3.5miles @ 24Ghz is realistic.  I don't think i'd 
> go much further than that tho ;-)
> 
> -sean
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>> wrote:
> That's a really long distance. Excellent signal for the distance though!
> 
> The last link I put up at that distance was pretty much the same. I went to 
> that sites remote end and turned each dial 1/16th turn and it went even on 
> all chains.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net 
> <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an 
>> attachment.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You Sure ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> LOL!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>> 
>> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net 
>> <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
>> What should I be seeing?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
>> To: 'af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>> 
>> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
>> 
>> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
>> 
>> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
>> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first 
>> on these units?
>> 
>> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Faisal Imtiaz]

took a closer look at your picture since one of the chains is seeing -62, 
you should be able to do that on all 4 chains. (leave power and rx gain as it 
is while aligning)... then play with power and rx-gain to get full modulation. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:51:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

> Cannot speak for the link calculator, but I can share with you the following:-

> 1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles
> 2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same or +/- 1-2db), your
> one side is rather off ...
> (when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each side of 
> the
> chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db
> 3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the gain
> high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x
> modulation...

> Best of Luck

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

>> Ooops, wrong image, lol!

>> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an 
>> attachment.

>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

>> You Sure ?

>> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !

>> LOL!

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.

>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373

>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net >
>>> wrote:

>>>> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
>>>> What should I be seeing?

>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
>>>> To: ' af@afmug.com ' < af@afmug.com >
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

>>>> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

>>>> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

>>>> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
>>>> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the 
>>>> first on
>>>> these units?

>>>> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Josh Luthman]

Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
> What should I be seeing?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
>
> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
>
> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the
> first on these units?
>
> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ooops, wrong image, lol!

This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an attachment.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

You Sure ?

Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !

LOL!

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
What should I be seeing?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first on 
these units?

Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Sean Heskett]

Sterling is in Utah tho so 3.5miles @ 24Ghz is realistic.  I don't think
i'd go much further than that tho ;-)

-sean



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> That's a really long distance. Excellent signal for the distance though!
>
> The last link I put up at that distance was pretty much the same. I went
> to that sites remote end and turned each dial 1/16th turn and it went even
> on all chains.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>
>
>
> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an
> attachment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
>
>
> You Sure ?
>
>
>
> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
>
>
>
> LOL!
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> ----------
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
> What should I be seeing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
>
> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
>
> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the
> first on these units?
>
> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
>
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Brett A Mansfield]

I wouldn't say it's a waste at this distance. You want it as good as you can 
get it to be in order to limit the rain fade. I had really bad rain fade on my 
link at 3 miles until I turned the dials 1/16th turn. Now it's pretty mild.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:35 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> I've found those small discrepancies to be normal in most cases and trying to 
> get everything absolutely perfect by playing with alignment for an hour or 
> two is a waste of time.
> 
>> On 10/29/2015 5:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an 
>> attachment.
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Josh Luthman]

Just a basic pathloss would probably be best.

Chain difference means NLOS issue or path issue.  Assuming it isn't
broken...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
>
> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
>
> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the
> first on these units?
>
> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Brett A Mansfield]

My experience with the AF24 is that a huge difference between chains is a 
misalignment. The tiniest of adjustments can fix that. But I haven't done many 
more than you.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
> 
> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
> 
> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first 
> on these units?
> 
> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Brett A Mansfield]

That's a really long distance. Excellent signal for the distance though! 

The last link I put up at that distance was pretty much the same. I went to 
that sites remote end and turned each dial 1/16th turn and it went even on all 
chains.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>  
> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an 
> attachment.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>  
> You Sure ?
>  
> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
>  
> LOL!
>  
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>  
> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
> What should I be seeing?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
> 
> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
> 
> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
> 
> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first 
> on these units?
> 
> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[George Skorup]

I've found those small discrepancies to be normal in most cases and 
trying to get everything absolutely perfect by playing with alignment 
for an hour or two is a waste of time.


On 10/29/2015 5:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Ooops, wrong image, lol!

This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an 
attachment.

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Cannot speak for the link calculator, but I can share with you the following:- 

1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles 
2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same or +/- 1-2db), your 
one side is rather off ... 
(when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each side of 
the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db 
3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the gain 
high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x 
modulation... 

Best of Luck 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

> Ooops, wrong image, lol!

> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an 
> attachment.

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

> You Sure ?

> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !

> LOL!

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.

>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373

>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net >
>> wrote:

>>> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
>>> What should I be seeing?

>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
>>> To: ' af@afmug.com ' < af@afmug.com >
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

>>> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

>>> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

>>> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
>>> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first 
>>> on
>>> these units?

>>> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Work]

Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take a look 
at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more just for AFX 
though not real clear on that 



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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> Cannot speak for the link calculator, but I can share with you the 
> following:- 
> 1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles 
> 2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same or +/- 1-2db), 
> your one side is rather off ... 
> (when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each side of 
> the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db 
> 3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the gain 
> high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x 
> modulation... 
> Best of Luck 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> 7266 SW 48 Street 
> Miami, FL 33155 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an 
>> attachment.
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>> You Sure ?
>> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
>> LOL!
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net >
>>> wrote:
>>>> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
>>>> What should I be seeing?
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
>>>> To: ' af@afmug.com ' < af@afmug.com >
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>>> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
>>>> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
>>>> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
>>>> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the 
>>>> first on
>>>> these units?
>>>> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Eric Kuhnke]

Somebody should bother the FCC to allow +10 or +18 Tx power in 24 GHz, but
only with very tight pattern (RPE, tiny sidelobes and f/b ratio) 2' and 3'
PTP dishes...  I wonder how successful such a lobbying effort would be.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Slightly better.  Bigger rx antenna.  Can't break the limits of tx.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Oct 29, 2015 10:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
>> So is the newer Airfiber HD better at rain fade than the 750Mbps Airfiber?
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems like it has a better transmit antenna, so it should be able to
>> fall back and retain better in the rain/snow fade.
>>
>>
>>
>> That was my hope anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> This link I posted has an existing link with nearly identical distance,
>> just a half mile away on the mountain end (same location on the origin end).
>>
>> It seems to be able to stay up in all but the most horrid of rain
>> conditions.
>>
>> Snow doesn’t seem to affect it at all.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:07 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>
>>
>>
>> No.  We had a heavy rain in Phoenix on a 2.5 mile link.  Lost the link
>> for about 15 minutes but this was a torrential rain, not normal for our
>> area.  We are reducing that to 2.0 miles to minimize it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>
>>
>>
>> Seriously though, how does that perform in wet, heavy snow at 3.5 miles?
>> I can't imagine it would be good.  I am in Utah too.  Am I wrong for
>> engineering all of my 24GHz links at less than one mile?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Work <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take
>> a look at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more
>> just for AFX though not real clear on that
>>
>>
>> —
>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the
>> following:-
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles
>>
>> 2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/-
>> 1-2db), your one side is rather off ...
>>
>> (when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each
>> side of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db
>>
>> 3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the
>> gain high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x
>> modulation...
>>
>>
>>
>> Best of Luck
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>
>> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an
>> attachment.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>
>>
>>
>> You Sure ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
>>
>>
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Eric Kuhnke]

Snow in the air actually causes a lot less fade at =>11 GHz than the
equivalent amount of rain. Even wet snow is relatively "dry" when it's in
the air until it hits surfaces and starts congealing.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Seriously though, how does that perform in wet, heavy snow at 3.5 miles?
> I can't imagine it would be good.  I am in Utah too.  Am I wrong for
> engineering all of my 24GHz links at less than one mile?
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Work <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take
>> a look at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more
>> just for AFX though not real clear on that
>>
>> —
>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the
>>> following:-
>>>
>>> 1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles
>>> 2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/-
>>> 1-2db), your one side is rather off ...
>>> (when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each
>>> side of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db
>>> 3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the
>>> gain high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x
>>> modulation...
>>>
>>> Best of Luck
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>>
>>> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an
>>> attachment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You Sure ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>>
>>> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
>>> What should I be seeing?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
>>> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>>
>>> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
>>>
>>> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
>>>
>>> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal
>>> dB?
>>> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the
>>> first on these units?
>>>
>>> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Brett A Mansfield]

I don't think you're wrong at all. If you have the budget to keep them that 
short I think you should. I'm buying another pair of them just so I can half 
the distance of my link. I have one at 3 miles also in Utah I the exact same 
area as Sterling and I have rain fade every time we get a decent downpour. 
Thankfully our downpours here are very brief. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 7:33 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Seriously though, how does that perform in wet, heavy snow at 3.5 miles?  I 
> can't imagine it would be good.  I am in Utah too.  Am I wrong for 
> engineering all of my 24GHz links at less than one mile?
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Work <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take a 
>> look at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more just 
>> for AFX though not real clear on that 
>> 
>> —
>> Sent from Mailbox
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the 
>>> following:-
>>> 
>>> 1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles
>>> 2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/- 1-2db), 
>>> your one side is rather off ...
>>> (when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each 
>>> side of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db
>>> 3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the 
>>> gain high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x 
>>> modulation... 
>>> 
>>> Best of Luck
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an 
>>> attachment.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> You Sure ?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> LOL!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>> 
>>> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
>>> What should I be seeing?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
>>> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>>> 
>>> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
>>> 
>>> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
>>> 
>>> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
>>> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first 
>>> on these units?
>>> 
>>> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Sterling Jacobson]

So is the newer Airfiber HD better at rain fade than the 750Mbps Airfiber?

It seems like it has a better transmit antenna, so it should be able to fall 
back and retain better in the rain/snow fade.

That was my hope anyway.

This link I posted has an existing link with nearly identical distance, just a 
half mile away on the mountain end (same location on the origin end).
It seems to be able to stay up in all but the most horrid of rain conditions.
Snow doesn’t seem to affect it at all.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

No.  We had a heavy rain in Phoenix on a 2.5 mile link.  Lost the link for 
about 15 minutes but this was a torrential rain, not normal for our area.  We 
are reducing that to 2.0 miles to minimize it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Seriously though, how does that perform in wet, heavy snow at 3.5 miles?  I 
can't imagine it would be good.  I am in Utah too.  Am I wrong for engineering 
all of my 24GHz links at less than one mile?

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Work 
<timothy.pct...@gmail.com<mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take a look 
at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more just for AFX 
though not real clear on that

—
Sent from Mailbox<https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>


On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the following:-

1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles
2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/- 1-2db), your 
one side is rather off ...
(when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each side 
of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db
3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the gain 
high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x 
modulation...

Best of Luck

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
Ooops, wrong image, lol!

This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an attachment.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

You Sure ?

Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !

LOL!

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
What should I be seeing?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first on 
these units?

Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Josh Luthman]

Slightly better.  Bigger rx antenna.  Can't break the limits of tx.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Oct 29, 2015 10:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> So is the newer Airfiber HD better at rain fade than the 750Mbps Airfiber?
>
>
>
> It seems like it has a better transmit antenna, so it should be able to
> fall back and retain better in the rain/snow fade.
>
>
>
> That was my hope anyway.
>
>
>
> This link I posted has an existing link with nearly identical distance,
> just a half mile away on the mountain end (same location on the origin end).
>
> It seems to be able to stay up in all but the most horrid of rain
> conditions.
>
> Snow doesn’t seem to affect it at all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
>
>
> No.  We had a heavy rain in Phoenix on a 2.5 mile link.  Lost the link for
> about 15 minutes but this was a torrential rain, not normal for our area.
> We are reducing that to 2.0 miles to minimize it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
>
>
> Seriously though, how does that perform in wet, heavy snow at 3.5 miles?
> I can't imagine it would be good.  I am in Utah too.  Am I wrong for
> engineering all of my 24GHz links at less than one mile?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Work <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take a
> look at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more just
> for AFX though not real clear on that
>
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
> Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the
> following:-
>
>
>
> 1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles
>
> 2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/- 1-2db),
> your one side is rather off ...
>
> (when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each
> side of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db
>
> 3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the
> gain high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x
> modulation...
>
>
>
> Best of Luck
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>
>
>
> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an
> attachment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
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> You Sure ?
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> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
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> LOL!
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> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
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> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
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> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a gigabit port.
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> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
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> Sorry, this was the picture of the link in question.
> What should I be seeing?
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> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:00 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
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> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
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> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
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> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the
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> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
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