Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
When you what to change over 3k units…. Efficiency is king Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 10:34 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Opportunity to do things differently, AKA get rid of the reflectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:20:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? If there is no truth to that, why wouldn't you design it to work with the same accessories as your other radios? On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
This, and a subsequent NDA is about the only other thing that makes any sense. Kind of. On Wednesday, January 21, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net'); wrote: That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided. CTI was definitely MemoryLink. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene... On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com'); wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');; Jason McKemie *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com'); wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','g...@aeronetpr.com'); wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','g...@aeronetpr.com'); wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','g...@aeronetpr.com
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
Maybe I'm a little dense here. My 100 dishes just use a hose clamp to hold the radio. I'm failing to see why you couldn't use an integrated epmp sm. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:08pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Nope. You could use the beehive SL dish with a holder for the ePMP. That at least would fit on the same 1-5/8 mount. Gino...what takes up all the time in that swap? Seems like you'd just remove the old dish, slap on the force100 dish, smoke a cigarette, and go home. Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes… Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
Removing the old dish, assembly and install of the force110 plus aligment Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:08 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. You could use the beehive SL dish with a holder for the ePMP. That at least would fit on the same 1-5/8 mount. Gino...what takes up all the time in that swap? Seems like you'd just remove the old dish, slap on the force100 dish, smoke a cigarette, and go home. Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
Why the they did not make an ePMP unit that fits in the same dish and nose piece as the FSK units it really beyond me. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes… Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes… Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
Think about dual polarity -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Why the they did not make an ePMP unit that fits in the same dish and nose piece as the FSK units it really beyond me. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes… Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
Nope. You could use the beehive SL dish with a holder for the ePMP. That at least would fit on the same 1-5/8 mount. Gino...what takes up all the time in that swap? Seems like you'd just remove the old dish, slap on the force100 dish, smoke a cigarette, and go home. Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes… Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just buy new
holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at least the
vertical.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers
depending on location.� Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW dishes,
and even some KP dishes.�
It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a
different attachment method on ePMP.
Not expecting to re-use the stingers.� How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp� primarily using the
Force110� but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes�
Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol
patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this
contraption
My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com ��
@aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
It's not common if you have something other than Canopy clients. ;-)
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:31:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
The point is that when you have different dishes… the common denominator is the
SM form factor!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just buy new
holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at least the
vertical.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers
depending on location.ï¿1Ž2 Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW dishes,
and even some KP dishes.ï¿1Ž2
It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a
different attachment method on ePMP.
Not expecting to re-use the stingers.ï¿1Ž2 How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpï¿1Ž2 primarily using the
Force110ï¿1Ž2 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesï¿1Ž2
Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch
so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this
contraption
My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
@aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
You might be able to attach it, but I'm guessing it wouldn't work very well... I think Chuck had to design a completely new reflector to get decent performance with the ePMP. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:50 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Maybe I'm a little dense here. My 100 dishes just use a hose clamp to hold the radio. I'm failing to see why you couldn't use an integrated epmp sm. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:08pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Nope. You could use the beehive SL dish with a holder for the ePMP. That at least would fit on the same 1-5/8 mount. Gino...what takes up all the time in that swap? Seems like you'd just remove the old dish, slap on the force100 dish, smoke a cigarette, and go home. Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmp… primarily using the Force110… but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishes… Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
The point is that when you have different dishes… the common denominator is the
SM form factor!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just buy new
holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at least the
vertical.
From: Bill Princemailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers
depending on location.ï¿1Ž2 Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW dishes,
and even some KP dishes.ï¿1Ž2
It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a
different attachment method on ePMP.
Not expecting to re-use the stingers.ï¿1Ž2 How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpï¿1Ž2 primarily using the
Force110ï¿1Ž2 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesï¿1Ž2
Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch
so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this
contraption
My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
@aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene... On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I would love to be able to buy a connectorized Nanobridge feedhorn
replacement... if only someone would build one.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
I think it would help them sell tons of epmps!, also maybe a nano
bridge feed horn replacement…. With built in poe reverser… !
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
If I remember the photos someone (maybe you?) posted of the inside of
an ePMP, wasn’t it a multi element patch? That’s probably not going to be
optimal for illuminating a reflector dish anyway. So probably the Force
models get better performance.
Cambium does have a product with the same SM form factor as FSK, it even
has tone alignment (except in 13.3 FW), just a little more expensive than
ePMP.
*From:* Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
The point is that when you have different dishes… the common
denominator is the SM form factor!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just
buy new holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at
least the vertical.
*From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers
depending on location.ï¿1Ž2 Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW
dishes, and even some KP dishes.ï¿1Ž2
It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a
different attachment method on ePMP.
Not expecting to re-use the stingers.ï¿1Ž2 How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpï¿1Ž2 primarily using the
Force110ï¿1Ž2 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesï¿1Ž2
Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol
patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this
contraption
My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
@aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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Not a New epmp, Just a bracket with the antenna Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 21, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: He is saying he wants yet another version of ePMP with a different internal patch antenna that would have a wider beam and lower gain when used by itself, but would efficiently illuminate a reflector. Of which he has 2 different shapes, wide (27RD, KPP) and tall (WB). If you remember the Trango multipoint days, think FOX and FOX-D. Then they stopped selling 2 models with the ATLAS-FOX and you had to use a Trango Stinger because the antenna gain of a bare SU was something pitiful like 6 dBi. Some people claimed a Ubiquiti Loco was better with a dish than a Nanostation, but it still wasn’t optimal, I think it was a 4 patch array so it still didn’t use the whole surface of the dish. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:19 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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If there is no truth to that, why wouldn't you design it to work with the same accessories as your other radios? On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Remember the CTI product that never found it's way? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it's not true. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. http://www.aeronetpr.com www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: tel:937-552-2340 937-552-2340 Direct: tel:937-552-2343 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point. I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain. maybe 15-16db total gain at best. also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. http://www.aeronetpr.com www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: tel:937-552-2340 937-552-2340 Direct: tel:937-552-2343 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. http://www.aeronetpr.com www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan
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Why don't u play with a integrated epmp sm and see what the gain would be like using something temporary or custom made then it if works have someone like chuck mold some out for you? Then maybe u can sell some to recoup your costs. ? On Jan 21, 2015 3:01 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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Not really. More like a bracket that fits in a SM placeholder, that takes a conn. Epmp and adds a patch to properly illuminate any dish. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:19 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr -- Sent from
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I've definitely heard that and heard some very convincing stories supporting the rumor. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. -- *From:* Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Gino, I know you have a mixed bag, what are you doing more of ... ePMP or 450? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Not really. More like a bracket that fits in a SM placeholder, that takes a conn. Epmp and adds a patch to properly illuminate any dish. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:19 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point. I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain. maybe 15-16db total gain at best. also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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Send us all the design papers. One of us will help you redesign it. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Ha ha. Wow. I gotta share this rumor with the ePMP team. I bet they'll get a laugh out of it. _ From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:24 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Yep that fueled most of my assumption. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene... On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com ; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
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I do enjoy how Sri (a Cambium employee) tells you flat out that there’s nothing to this rumor, yet you persist… I would be happy to talk to you guys at length about this, or anything else on your mind (over a beer of course) at the good ol’ fairpark! See you in a couple weeks. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com; Josh Luthman Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Same here, including talks with vendors who had dealings with them. *shrug* On January 21, 2015 3:24:11 PM AKST, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've definitely heard that and heard some very convincing stories supporting the rumor. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office
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That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided. CTI was definitely MemoryLink. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene... On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com ; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. /blockquote
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Opportunity to do things differently, AKA get rid of the reflectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:20:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? If there is no truth to that, why wouldn't you design it to work with the same accessories as your other radios? On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com ; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. /blockquote
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Its great that you like the PMP100 platform. If by bloated software, you mean Nate's GUI load time, we're actively investigating that with some information we got from Nate offline. For PTP applications, you should be able to use max power. Please hit me up offline as well if you'd like to discuss specific scenarios. Thanks, Sriram From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? So how about fixing the bloated software? The old pmp100 software was great comparatively. Also, how about a EIRP fix so we can turn the power up in ptp applications or turn up if using a low gain antenna? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:55pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Wow. I stepped away for a couple of hours and this escalated pretty quickly. Mike - It certainly wasn't me that you talked to although it doesn't seem to matter what I say. Something about governments, companies and stuff and some folks wanting design documents. But you are right, ePMP is something where we see it as an opportunity to do things differently. We make mistakes no doubt but at least we know we tried and fix it as quickly as possible. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office in September that they put it to rest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af
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Thanks Josh. I'll send you a note offline to get a little bit more information so we can narrow down this issue. Sriram From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Sri, Slow on my tablet and phone as well. I feel it should be faster on my PC and laptop. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 10:07 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Its great that you like the PMP100 platform. If by bloated software, you mean Nate's GUI load time, we're actively investigating that with some information we got from Nate offline. For PTP applications, you should be able to use max power. Please hit me up offline as well if you'd like to discuss specific scenarios. Thanks, Sriram From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? So how about fixing the bloated software? The old pmp100 software was great comparatively. Also, how about a EIRP fix so we can turn the power up in ptp applications or turn up if using a low gain antenna? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 -Original Message- From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:55pm To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Wow. I stepped away for a couple of hours and this escalated pretty quickly. Mike - It certainly wasn't me that you talked to although it doesn't seem to matter what I say. Something about governments, companies and stuff and some folks wanting design documents. But you are right, ePMP is something where we see it as an opportunity to do things differently. We make mistakes no doubt but at least we know we tried and fix it as quickly as possible. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:33 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office in September that they put it to rest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper
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We are 450 in metro areas, epmp in suburbs ad low density.. Both gets business Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Ty Inc t...@franklinisp.netmailto:t...@franklinisp.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 8:59 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Gino, I know you have a mixed bag, what are you doing more of ….. ePMP or 450? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:24 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Not really. More like a bracket that fits in a SM placeholder, that takes a conn. Epmp and adds a patch to properly illuminate any dish. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:19 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
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I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office in September that they put it to rest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com ; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr /blockquote
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Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided. CTI was definitely MemoryLink. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene... On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Sri, Slow on my tablet and phone as well. I feel it should be faster on my PC and laptop. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 10:07 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Its great that you like the PMP100 platform. If by bloated software, you mean Nate's GUI load time, we're actively investigating that with some information we got from Nate offline. For PTP applications, you should be able to use max power. Please hit me up offline as well if you'd like to discuss specific scenarios. Thanks, Sriram -- *From:* Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? So how about fixing the bloated software? The old pmp100 software was great comparatively. Also, how about a EIRP fix so we can turn the power up in ptp applications or turn up if using a low gain antenna? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:55pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Wow. I stepped away for a couple of hours and this escalated pretty quickly. Mike - It certainly wasn't me that you talked to although it doesn't seem to matter what I say. Something about governments, companies and stuff and some folks wanting design documents. But you are right, ePMP is something where we see it as an opportunity to do things differently. We make mistakes no doubt but at least we know we tried and fix it as quickly as possible. -- *From:* Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:33 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office in September that they put it to rest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. -- *From:* Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j
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It may or may not be true either way, and I don't really think it matters. Companies, like governments and people, can always deny things -- and they often do. On January 21, 2015 5:01:23 PM AKST, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: I do enjoy how Sri (a Cambium employee) tells you flat out that there’s nothing to this rumor, yet you persist… I would be happy to talk to you guys at length about this, or anything else on your mind (over a beer of course) at the good ol’ fairpark! See you in a couple weeks. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.com; Josh Luthman Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Same here, including talks with vendors who had dealings with them. *shrug* On January 21, 2015 3:24:11 PM AKST, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've definitely heard that and heard some very convincing stories supporting the rumor. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
So how about fixing the bloated software? The old pmp100 software was great comparatively. Also, how about a EIRP fix so we can turn the power up in ptp applications or turn up if using a low gain antenna? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:55pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [[ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ); Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie [ j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com ]( mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com ) wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard [ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com ) wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini [ g...@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com ) wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com ) @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) Reply-To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini [ g...@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com ) wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com ) @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) Reply-To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini [ g...@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com ) wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com ) @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini [ g...@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com ) wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp
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it doesn't seem to matter what I say Now you sound like me when talking to my GF. ;-) On the whole, I like the product. It's my platform of choice until I move to Mimosa or Bitlomat for some synced AC. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:55:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Wow. I stepped away for a couple of hours and this escalated pretty quickly. Mike - It certainly wasn't me that you talked to although it doesn't seem to matter what I say. Something about governments, companies and stuff and some folks wanting design documents. But you are right, ePMP is something where we see it as an opportunity to do things differently. We make mistakes no doubt but at least we know we tried and fix it as quickly as possible. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office in September that they put it to rest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com ; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
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Off topic but Charles Wu was able to retire on a mysterious lump sump cash that CTI received some years ago! :-) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 10:01 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I do enjoy how Sri (a Cambium employee) tells you flat out that there’s nothing to this rumor, yet you persist… I would be happy to talk to you guys at length about this, or anything else on your mind (over a beer of course) at the good ol’ fairpark! See you in a couple weeks. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Josh Luthman Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Same here, including talks with vendors who had dealings with them. *shrug* On January 21, 2015 3:24:11 PM AKST, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've definitely heard that and heard some very convincing stories supporting the rumor. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like
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Wow. I stepped away for a couple of hours and this escalated pretty quickly. Mike - It certainly wasn't me that you talked to although it doesn't seem to matter what I say. Something about governments, companies and stuff and some folks wanting design documents. But you are right, ePMP is something where we see it as an opportunity to do things differently. We make mistakes no doubt but at least we know we tried and fix it as quickly as possible. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I specifically asked Cambium staff face to face on at least three occasions about it and it was avoided. It wasn't until I was at the office in September that they put it to rest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:16:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Really? First time I'm hearing this and I've been on this list for a while. I must've missed it. I will tell you now that ePMP was designed and built in Cambium. Hope that clears up any confusion. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I
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emailed you offline. The software overall just seems slow all around compared to what the pmp100 is. I've not used any other lines. Have been using the pmp100 for sheesh, 10 years now. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:07pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [[ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ); Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie [ j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com ]( mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com ) wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard [ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com ) wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini [ g...@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com ) wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com ) @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) Reply-To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini [ g...@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com ) wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com ) @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) Reply-To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini [ g...@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com ) wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http://www.aeronetpr.com ) @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini [ g...@aeronetpr.com ]( mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com ) wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [ www.aeronetpr.com ]( http
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They did tell me (finally) that it was developed completely in-house. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:27:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
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Everyone assumed and then when asked about it numerous times, it was ignored, therefore assumed to be true. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? I think everyone assumed epmp = further refined MemoryLink... At least initially. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com ; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this contraption My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
We regularly see posts from executives at Convergence, including at the time ePMP was introduced, none of whom are Charles. I think Charles returned to his home planet, and is now rooming with Elvis. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided. CTI was definitely MemoryLink. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene... On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
He's doing triathlons now. Judging by his FB, he seems to do one every other day. A lot more family time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:08:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? We regularly see posts from executives at Convergence, including at the time ePMP was introduced, none of whom are Charles. I think Charles returned to his home planet, and is now rooming with Elvis. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided. CTI was definitely MemoryLink. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene... On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: blockquote You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com ; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: blockquote It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
Don't forget those damn selfies you guys sent me! Crazy Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: He's doing triathlons now. Judging by his FB, he seems to do one every other day. A lot more family time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:08:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? We regularly see posts from executives at Convergence, including at the time ePMP was introduced, none of whom are Charles. I think Charles returned to his home planet, and is now rooming with Elvis. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided. CTI was definitely MemoryLink. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene... On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
If I remember the photos someone (maybe you?) posted of the inside of an ePMP,
wasn’t it a multi element patch? That’s probably not going to be optimal for
illuminating a reflector dish anyway. So probably the Force models get better
performance.
Cambium does have a product with the same SM form factor as FSK, it even has
tone alignment (except in 13.3 FW), just a little more expensive than ePMP.
From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
The point is that when you have different dishes… the common denominator is the
SM form factor!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just buy new
holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at least the
vertical.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers
depending on location.ï¿1Ž2 Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW dishes,
and even some KP dishes.ï¿1Ž2
It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a
different attachment method on ePMP.
Not expecting to re-use the stingers.ï¿1Ž2 How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpï¿1Ž2 primarily using the
Force110ï¿1Ž2 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesï¿1Ž2
Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol
patch so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this
contraption
My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
@aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I think it would help them sell tons of epmps!, also maybe a nano bridge feed
horn replacement…. With built in poe reverser… !
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
If I remember the photos someone (maybe you?) posted of the inside of an ePMP,
wasn’t it a multi element patch? That’s probably not going to be optimal for
illuminating a reflector dish anyway. So probably the Force models get better
performance.
Cambium does have a product with the same SM form factor as FSK, it even has
tone alignment (except in 13.3 FW), just a little more expensive than ePMP.
From: Gino Villarinimailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:31 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
The point is that when you have different dishes… the common denominator is the
SM form factor!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
For the KP dishes, have you checked with them, I’ll bet you could just buy new
holders. I would still count on touching up the alignment, at least the
vertical.
From: Bill Princemailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
I think we are a bit like Gino; we have a mixture of dishes and stingers
depending on location.ï¿1Ž2 Some original 27RD dishes, some early CLAW dishes,
and even some KP dishes.ï¿1Ž2
It would be nice if we were able to re-use all or even most of them with a
different attachment method on ePMP.
Not expecting to re-use the stingers.ï¿1Ž2 How far can a naked ePMP Sm go?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 10:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpï¿1Ž2 primarily using the
Force110ï¿1Ž2 but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesï¿1Ž2
Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch
so we can put a conn. Epmp there and just swap a Canopy SM with this
contraption
My techs could do a swap in 5 minutes instead of 30-45 min
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
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