Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread Steve Jones 
We wont do it, period, no conduit, no service, that simple

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 11:12 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> *Lay conduit for cable
>
> We've had enough good-quality direct bury ethernet cable damaged (by
> animals or ice etc) that now we tell customers that if it is not in a pipe,
> expect it to get damaged and stop working.
> On Apr 11, 2018 12:01 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>>> the sod.
>>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread Colin Stanners 
*Lay conduit for cable

We've had enough good-quality direct bury ethernet cable damaged (by
animals or ice etc) that now we tell customers that if it is not in a pipe,
expect it to get damaged and stop working.
On Apr 11, 2018 12:01 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>
> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>> the sod.
>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread Steve Jones 
My old man has an old trench hoe like that, bigger backscoop. Backbreaking
bastard. We did a 2 foot wide  6 foot deep trench last year with shovels
and thisug. but some old roofing tar buckets and spare tires may
have disappeared though.
Ill rent a deep trencher when i do mine

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 5:03 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> For actually opening up a trench I've got something similar to this:
>
> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200643437_200643437
>
> Works great.
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Then there's the manual version:
>> T-Handle Trench Shovel
>> <http://www.lewiscontractorsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD_Code=T23399_Code=PAL=6695d02f63ea49d99de40153f2e16d16=91AC3FB05403417B9E5D25AE52FF3AFC=Cj0KCQjw5LbWBRDCARIsALAbcOdkLZxSEOIujO-B1CUNrLguMtcP_a23sRKzXI05-VLCHMyMOawbNa0aAk11EALw_wcB>
>>
>> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
>> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
>> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
>> close the slot back up.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
>> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jon Lee" <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
>> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>>
>> -Jon
>> Off-Grid Networks
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
>>> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
>>> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
>>> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
>>> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
>>> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
>>> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
>>> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
>>> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
>>> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
>>> that was flipped over.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
>>> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
>>> held lawn edger.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could
>>> always have it with them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>>>
>>> like this
>>>
>>> but not 2 grand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>>
>>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>>> the sod.
>>>
>>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>>
>>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jon Lee
>> Off-Grid Networks
>> c.928.793.2972
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread Jason McKemie 
For actually opening up a trench I've got something similar to this:

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200643437_200643437

Works great.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Then there's the manual version:
> T-Handle Trench Shovel
> <http://www.lewiscontractorsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD_Code=T23399_Code=PAL=6695d02f63ea49d99de40153f2e16d16=91AC3FB05403417B9E5D25AE52FF3AFC=Cj0KCQjw5LbWBRDCARIsALAbcOdkLZxSEOIujO-B1CUNrLguMtcP_a23sRKzXI05-VLCHMyMOawbNa0aAk11EALw_wcB>
>
> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
> close the slot back up.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Lee" <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>
> -Jon
> Off-Grid Networks
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
>> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
>> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
>> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
>> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
>> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
>> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
>> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
>> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
>> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
>> that was flipped over.
>>
>>
>>
>> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
>> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
>> held lawn edger.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher
>> /dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckd
>> uckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953
>> tiveASIN=B4DTNH
>>
>>
>>
>> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could
>> always have it with them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>>
>> like this
>>
>> but not 2 grand
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>
>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>> the sod.
>>
>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>
>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jon Lee
> Off-Grid Networks
> c.928.793.2972
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread Roland Houin 



We have one in every vehicle.
much better than shovels,
stong enought to last
 
Roland
 
 
> I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make adifference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for thewire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these foreveryone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have them makeone for you.https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQThank You,Brian Websterwww.wirelessmapping.comwww.Broadband-Mapping.comFrom: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve JonesSent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencherIve cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same reason ibought a compactor and quit hand tamping limeOn Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:Then there's the manual version:T-Handle Trench ShovelI've used a flat spade. Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the way in,pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again. You end up with a skinnyslot. Shove cable into theslot, stomp your boots on it to close the slot backup.-- Original Message --From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.comSent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencherYeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.-- Original Message --From: "Jon Lee" To: af@afmug.comSent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencherDon't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk edger toinstall an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.-JonOff-Grid NetworksOn Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron wrote:We have been looking for something better as well and found the one youmentioned. There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too, but
more money and not very convenient. Today we use lawn edgers, which only getthe cable down about 1.5”. It seems to be far enough, but would like it to be alittle deeper. We also use an inhouse built mini-plow device that goes behind alawn mower or 4 wheeler. That works pretty good, but is not convenient as wehave to pull to the site on a trailer. However, we can plow in 300 ft in about10 minutes with that. It has a spool holder and everything. . The shovel works,but is painfully slow and when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass asit dries out the sod that was flipped over.For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the sitewith the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand held lawnedger.
https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025ative=165953=B4DTNHA sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could always haveit with them.Thanks,David CoudronFrom: Af  On Behalf Of Steve JonesSent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTMlike thisbut not 2 grandOn Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for lengthof run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when doneOn Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones  wrote:For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers becausethey dont want to trench cable themselves.For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the sod.Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw modifiedbar or a bucksaw trenching blade?Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally would fitin the truck on a shelf--Jon LeeOff-Grid Networksc.928.793.2972 <

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread chuck 
I actually had one of these on my service vehicle back in 1979.  Someone 
manufactures them.  We would cut a slit and poke the drop in with a piece of 
lath.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make a 
difference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for the 
wire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these for 
everyone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have them make 
one for you. 

 

https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQ

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same reason i 
bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Then there's the manual version:  

  T-Handle Trench Shovel 

   

  I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the way 
in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up with a 
skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to close the 
slot back up.

   

   

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

   

Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.

Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jon Lee" <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

  Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk 
edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs. 

   

  -Jon

  Off-Grid Networks

   

  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:

  We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you 
mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too, but 
more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which only get 
the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would like it to be 
a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow device that goes 
behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty good, but is not 
convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.   However, we can plow 
in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a spool holder and everything. 
.  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and when the grass is really dry, it 
kills the grass as it dries out the sod that was flipped over.  

   

  For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the 
site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand held 
lawn edger.

  
https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH

   

  A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could 
always have it with them. 

   

  Thanks,

   

  David Coudron

   

   

  From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

   

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM

  like this

  but not 2 grand

   

  On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:

A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue 
for length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.

 

You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done 

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new 
customers because they dont want to trench cable themselves.

  For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay 
under the sod. 

  Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a 
chainsaw modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?

  Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally 
would fit in the truck on a shelf

   





   

  -- 

  Jon Lee

  Off-Grid Networks

  c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread Cameron Crum 
Guy says material cost is high..??? Looks like a couple pieces of 1 " or 1
1/2" steel tubing with some steel plate welded on. Some welding and
grinding and voila. I bet the whole shebang is less than $40 as a one-off.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> We have a couple of those, i absolutely hate them. Too many rocks around
> here. They only work well in spring when the soil id saturated and the sod
> is still loose
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:06 AM Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make
>> a difference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for
>> the wire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these
>> for everyone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have
>> them make one for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same
>> reason i bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Then there's the manual version:
>>
>> T-Handle Trench Shovel
>> <http://www.lewiscontractorsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD_Code=T23399_Code=PAL=6695d02f63ea49d99de40153f2e16d16=91AC3FB05403417B9E5D25AE52FF3AFC=Cj0KCQjw5LbWBRDCARIsALAbcOdkLZxSEOIujO-B1CUNrLguMtcP_a23sRKzXI05-VLCHMyMOawbNa0aAk11EALw_wcB>
>>
>>
>>
>> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
>> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
>> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
>> close the slot back up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
>>
>> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Jon Lee" <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
>> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jon
>>
>> Off-Grid Networks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>
>> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
>> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
>> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
>> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
>> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
>> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
>> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
>> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
>> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
>> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
>> that was flipped over.
>>
>>
>>
>> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
>> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
>> held lawn edger.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-
>> Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=
>> duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953&
>> creativeASIN=B4DTNH
>>
>>
>>
>> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could
>> always ha

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread Steve Jones 
We have a couple of those, i absolutely hate them. Too many rocks around
here. They only work well in spring when the soil id saturated and the sod
is still loose

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 8:06 AM Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
wrote:

> I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make a
> difference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for
> the wire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these
> for everyone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have
> them make one for you.
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQ
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same
> reason i bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Then there's the manual version:
>
> T-Handle Trench Shovel
> <http://www.lewiscontractorsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD_Code=T23399_Code=PAL=6695d02f63ea49d99de40153f2e16d16=91AC3FB05403417B9E5D25AE52FF3AFC=Cj0KCQjw5LbWBRDCARIsALAbcOdkLZxSEOIujO-B1CUNrLguMtcP_a23sRKzXI05-VLCHMyMOawbNa0aAk11EALw_wcB>
>
>
>
> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
> close the slot back up.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
>
> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jon Lee" <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>
>
>
> -Jon
>
> Off-Grid Networks
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
> that was flipped over.
>
>
>
> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
> held lawn edger.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH
>
>
>
> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could always
> have it with them.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>
> like this
>
> but not 2 grand
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>
>
>
> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>
> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the
> sod.
>
> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>
> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jon Lee
>
> Off-Grid Networks
>
> c.928.793.2972
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread Jaime Solorza 
At Tornillo , we used 1 inch 10ft PVC pipe attached to hose to bore under
sidewalks to get fiber from building to building.  Just added pipe as
needed..then use shop vac to clean out excess debris and vacuum jet or mule
tape to pull fiber.  Easy peazy

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:01 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>
> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>> the sod.
>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-12 Thread Brian Webster 
I thought this device looked interesting. Soil conditions obviously make a 
difference in how well it works. Kind of like the edger but modified for the 
wire purpose and more rugged. Chuck could probably build and sell these for 
everyone pretty reasonable or just go to your local welder and have them make 
one for you. 

 

https://youtu.be/kNqOXul-GOQ

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same reason i 
bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Then there's the manual version:  

T-Handle Trench Shovel  
<http://www.lewiscontractorsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD_Code=T23399_Code=PAL=6695d02f63ea49d99de40153f2e16d16=91AC3FB05403417B9E5D25AE52FF3AFC=Cj0KCQjw5LbWBRDCARIsALAbcOdkLZxSEOIujO-B1CUNrLguMtcP_a23sRKzXI05-VLCHMyMOawbNa0aAk11EALw_wcB>
 

 

I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the way 
in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up with a 
skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to close the 
slot back up.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.

Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jon Lee" <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk edger to 
install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs. 

 

-Jon

Off-Grid Networks

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> 
wrote:

We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you 
mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too, but 
more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which only get 
the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would like it to be 
a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow device that goes 
behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty good, but is not 
convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.   However, we can plow 
in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a spool holder and everything. 
.  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and when the grass is really dry, it 
kills the grass as it dries out the sod that was flipped over.  

 

For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the site 
with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand held lawn 
edger.

https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q
 
<https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH>
 
=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH

 

A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could always have 
it with them. 

 

Thanks,

 

David Coudron

 

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM

like this

but not 2 grand

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for length 
of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.

 

You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done 

 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers because 
they dont want to trench cable themselves.

For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the sod. 

Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw 
modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?

Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally would fit 
in the truck on a shelf

 





 

-- 

Jon Lee

Off-Grid Networks

c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread Steve Jones 
Ive cut enough sod and hand trenched all im going to do anymore. Same
reason i bought a compactor and quit hand tamping lime

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:34 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Then there's the manual version:
> T-Handle Trench Shovel
> <http://www.lewiscontractorsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD_Code=T23399_Code=PAL=6695d02f63ea49d99de40153f2e16d16=91AC3FB05403417B9E5D25AE52FF3AFC=Cj0KCQjw5LbWBRDCARIsALAbcOdkLZxSEOIujO-B1CUNrLguMtcP_a23sRKzXI05-VLCHMyMOawbNa0aAk11EALw_wcB>
>
> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
> close the slot back up.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Lee" <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>
> -Jon
> Off-Grid Networks
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
>> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
>> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
>> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
>> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
>> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
>> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
>> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
>> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
>> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
>> that was flipped over.
>>
>>
>>
>> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
>> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
>> held lawn edger.
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH
>>
>>
>>
>> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could
>> always have it with them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>>
>> like this
>>
>> but not 2 grand
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>
>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>> the sod.
>>
>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>
>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jon Lee
> Off-Grid Networks
> c.928.793.2972
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread Adam Moffett 

Then there's the manual version:
T-Handle Trench Shovel 
<http://www.lewiscontractorsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD_Code=T23399_Code=PAL=6695d02f63ea49d99de40153f2e16d16=91AC3FB05403417B9E5D25AE52FF3AFC=Cj0KCQjw5LbWBRDCARIsALAbcOdkLZxSEOIujO-B1CUNrLguMtcP_a23sRKzXI05-VLCHMyMOawbNa0aAk11EALw_wcB>


I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the 
way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end 
up with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on 
it to close the slot back up.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher


Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Lee" <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk 
edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.


-Jon
Off-Grid Networks

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
We have been looking for something better as well and found the one 
you mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out 
there too, but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use 
lawn edgers, which only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to 
be far enough, but would like it to be a little deeper.   We also use 
an inhouse built mini-plow device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 
wheeler.   That works pretty good, but is not convenient as we have 
to pull to the site on a trailer.   However, we can plow in 300 ft in 
about 10 minutes with that.  It has a spool holder and everything. .  
The shovel works, but is painfully slow and when the grass is really 
dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod that was flipped 
over.




For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to 
the site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use 
the hand held lawn edger.


https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH 
<https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH>




A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could 
always have it with them.




Thanks,



David Coudron





From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM>


like this

but not 2 grand



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:


A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue 
for length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with 
foot.




You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:


For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new 
customers because they dont want to trench cable themselves.


For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay 
under the sod.


Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a 
chainsaw modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?


Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that 
ideally would fit in the truck on a shelf









--
Jon Lee
Off-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread Adam Moffett 

Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Lee" <j...@off-gridnetworks.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk 
edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.


-Jon
Off-Grid Networks

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
We have been looking for something better as well and found the one 
you mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out 
there too, but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn 
edgers, which only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far 
enough, but would like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an 
inhouse built mini-plow device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 
wheeler.   That works pretty good, but is not convenient as we have to 
pull to the site on a trailer.   However, we can plow in 300 ft in 
about 10 minutes with that.  It has a spool holder and everything. .  
The shovel works, but is painfully slow and when the grass is really 
dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod that was flipped over.




For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to 
the site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use 
the hand held lawn edger.


https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH 
<https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH>




A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could 
always have it with them.




Thanks,



David Coudron





From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM>


like this

but not 2 grand



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote:


A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue 
for length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with 
foot.




You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:


For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new 
customers because they dont want to trench cable themselves.


For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay 
under the sod.


Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a 
chainsaw modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?


Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that 
ideally would fit in the truck on a shelf









--
Jon Lee
Off-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread Harold Bledsoe 
First comment is good - better get your chiropractor on standby before you
start!  LOL

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:10 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
> like this
> but not 2 grand
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>>> the sod.
>>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread Steve Jones 
im debating risking my stihl clutch and taking it to my buddy to put a gear
drive on a custom bar

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:17 PM, David Coudron <
david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:

> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
> that was flipped over.
>
>
>
> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
> held lawn edger.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-
> Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=
> duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953&
> creativeASIN=B4DTNH
>
>
>
> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could always
> have it with them.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>
> like this
>
> but not 2 grand
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>
>
>
> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>
> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the
> sod.
>
> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>
> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread Jon Lee 
Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.

-Jon
Off-Grid Networks

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:

> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
> that was flipped over.
>
>
>
> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
> held lawn edger.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-
> Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=
> duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953&
> creativeASIN=B4DTNH
>
>
>
> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could always
> have it with them.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>
> like this
>
> but not 2 grand
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>
>
>
> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>
> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the
> sod.
>
> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>
> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>
>
>



-- 
Jon Lee
Off-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread David Coudron 
We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you 
mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too, but 
more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which only get 
the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would like it to be 
a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow device that goes 
behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty good, but is not 
convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.   However, we can plow 
in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a spool holder and everything. 
.  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and when the grass is really dry, it 
kills the grass as it dries out the sod that was flipped over.

For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the site 
with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand held lawn 
edger.
https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953=B4DTNH

A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could always have 
it with them.

Thanks,

David Coudron


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
like this
but not 2 grand

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for length 
of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.

You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers because 
they dont want to trench cable themselves.
For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the sod.
Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw 
modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally would fit 
in the truck on a shelf

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread Steve Jones 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
like this
but not 2 grand

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>
> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>> the sod.
>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread Josh Reynolds 
A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.

You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under the
> sod.
> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>