Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Mike Hammett]

Yes 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 5:01:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement 



so they are transport? 



- Original Message - 
From: Jesse DuPont 
To: Animal Farm 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement 

At my telco day job, we have several circuits to cell sites; most are 100-200 
Mbps capacity on 1G phy, but they all aggregate to a pair of GigE waves to 
their MSC. Rural north-central Wyoming. 




Jesse DuPont 

Network Architect 
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net 
Celerity Networks LLC 
Celerity Broadband LLC 
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On 3/2/18 9:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



The information he has is probably four years old. 

They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can move 
1.3 gigs, with some doing more. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement 


I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment? 

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

so they are transport?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jesse DuPont 
  To: Animal Farm 
  Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement


  At my telco day job, we have several circuits to cell sites; most are 100-200 
Mbps capacity on 1G phy, but they all aggregate to a pair of GigE waves to 
their MSC. Rural north-central Wyoming.


  Jesse DuPont

  Network Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC

  Celerity Broadband LLC
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

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  On 3/2/18 9:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The information he has is probably four years old.

They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can 
move 1.3 gigs, with some doing more.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement


I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
At my telco day job, we have several circuits to cell sites; most
are 100-200 Mbps capacity on 1G phy, but they all aggregate to a
pair of GigE waves to their MSC. Rural north-central Wyoming.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 3/2/18 9:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:


  
  The information he has is probably four
years old.

They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint
tower can move 1.3 gigs, with some doing more.


  
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent
Computing Solutions
  
  Midwest Internet
Exchange
  
  The Brothers WISP
  


  


From:
  "Kurt Fankhauser" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth
  requirement
  
  I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday
as he was installing a 1gig fiber circuit for me and he
started talking about how un-common it was to be seeing a 1
gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell
phone towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and
he said. "Oh no those usually only have 100meg fiber feeds
to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And he said "yeah all
the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to
are all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones
are about 300meg circuits."


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is
  only using that much bandwidth? We are pretty rural here
  county population is only 45,000 and the city populations
  are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so
  why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower
  with some Air Fiber equipment?
  


  


  

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Chuck McCown]

Most of our 100 Mb tower customers are asking about dark fiber and other 
options.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

Most of the contracts I have seen were for 100Mbps at the time and 1Gb in a few 
years.   It’s been a few years since I have seen a contract though.   

So the guy was probably right that he installed 100Mb service, but it’s likely 
been upgraded since.

Mark



  On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  The information he has is probably four years old.

  They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can move 
1.3 gigs, with some doing more.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement


  I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 

  Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Keefe John]

We still see T1s and no fiber at some rural sites.

Keefw

On March 2, 2018 11:04:40 AM CST, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>We are technically rural but in reality we are high density suburban.  
>
>From: Mathew Howard 
>Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:14 AM
>To: af 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement
>
>I would've guessed they'd want more like 200-300meg at most cell
>towers, but 100meg in a rural area really doesn't surprise me.
>
>
>On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:
>
>I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a
>1gig fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it
>was to be seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what
>about the cell phone towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them
>and he said. "Oh no those usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to
>them." I was like whoa, thats all? And he said "yeah all the Sprint,
>T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to are all like 100meg and
>he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg circuits." 
>
>Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that
>much bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only
>45,000 and the city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really
>be true? And if so why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell
>tower with some Air Fiber equipment?

-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Mark Radabaugh]

Most of the contracts I have seen were for 100Mbps at the time and 1Gb in a few 
years.   It’s been a few years since I have seen a contract though.  

So the guy was probably right that he installed 100Mb service, but it’s likely 
been upgraded since.

Mark


> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> The information he has is probably four years old.
> 
> They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can move 
> 1.3 gigs, with some doing more.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement
> 
> I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
> fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
> seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
> towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
> usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? 
> And he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to 
> are all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
> circuits."
> 
> Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
> bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
> city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so 
> why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
> equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Adam Moffett]

I would have assumed more.
If they installed at 100meg on a 1G physical interface and then turned 
it up to a gig later, then the field tech would have no involvement and 
wouldn't know.


On the other hand, they're charging for consumption, so people have a 
disincentive to actually use it.  So, maybe?



-- Original Message --
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/2/2018 10:03:07 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 
1gig fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it 
was to be seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what 
about the cell phone towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them 
and he said. "Oh no those usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to 
them." I was like whoa, thats all? And he said "yeah all the Sprint, 
T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to are all like 100meg and 
he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg circuits."


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that 
much bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 
45,000 and the city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really 
be true? And if so why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell 
tower with some Air Fiber equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[chuck]

We are technically rural but in reality we are high density suburban.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:14 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

I would've guessed they'd want more like 200-300meg at most cell towers, but 
100meg in a rural area really doesn't surprise me.


On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 

  Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Mike Hammett]

The information he has is probably four years old. 

They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can move 
1.3 gigs, with some doing more. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement 


I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment? 

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Tim Reichhart]

Kurt it me off list about spectrum I got few questions for you.

Tim



 

-Original Message-
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 03/02/18 10:03
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits."

Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Mathew Howard]

I would've guessed they'd want more like 200-300meg at most cell towers,
but 100meg in a rural area really doesn't surprise me.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig
> fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to
> be seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell
> phone towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh
> no those usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa,
> thats all? And he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that
> he's been to are all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are
> about 300meg circuits."
>
> Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much
> bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and
> the city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if
> so why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air
> Fiber equipment?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[chuck]

We have a bunch of cell towers on 50 and 100 Mbps circuits.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At&T towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 

Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?