Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series AP?

[Josh Reynolds]

Upgrading the AP seems to have a performance boost for all of the
existing M clients anyway.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, you're understanding it correctly. It does stick you with having to
> stay with the old client radios until after the AP is upgraded, but it's
> better than no backwards compatibility.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I may be misunderstanding the way it works, but allowing M-series clients
>> to connect to an AC AP would allow you to upgrade the the AP from M to AC
>> now, and upgrade the clients afterward (as needed, as able).
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 11/20/2017 11:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Is this common with mixing ac & n?  For some reason I thought there was
>> backwards and forwards compatibility in 802.11.
>> Is it a design choice by Ubiquiti for performance reasons maybe?
>>
>> I could imagine that being a quandryyou don't want to keep buying the
>> older stations, but maybe you can't immediately upgrade every AP either.
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message --
>> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 11/20/2017 1:43:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series
>> AP?
>>
>> If it's a PtP link, where you can switch the roles around and make the AC
>> radio the AP and the Rocket M5 the client, that will work, but if it's a
>> PtMP scenario, the only choices are to use non-AC clients or upgrade the AP
>> to AC.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> M5 APs can only have M5 clients, AC APs can have both AC and M series
>>> clients... so assuming you have your model number correct the Nanobeam M5
>>> will work fine to a M5 AP. But the Nanobeam 5AC will not connect to a M5 ap.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> Can I install NBE-M5-16 to a Rocket M5 AP? Or do I have to upgrade the
>>>> AP as well?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Sam Lambie
>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>> www.Taosnet.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series AP?

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, you're understanding it correctly. It does stick you with having to
stay with the old client radios until after the AP is upgraded, but it's
better than no backwards compatibility.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I may be misunderstanding the way it works, but allowing M-series clients
> to connect to an AC AP would allow you to upgrade the the AP from M to AC
> now, and upgrade the clients afterward (as needed, as able).
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 11/20/2017 11:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Is this common with mixing ac & n?  For some reason I thought there was
> backwards and forwards compatibility in 802.11.
> Is it a design choice by Ubiquiti for performance reasons maybe?
>
> I could imagine that being a quandryyou don't want to keep buying the
> older stations, but maybe you can't immediately upgrade every AP either.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 11/20/2017 1:43:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series
> AP?
>
> If it's a PtP link, where you can switch the roles around and make the AC
> radio the AP and the Rocket M5 the client, that will work, but if it's a
> PtMP scenario, the only choices are to use non-AC clients or upgrade the AP
> to AC.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> M5 APs can only have M5 clients, AC APs can have both AC and M series
>> clients... so assuming you have your model number correct the Nanobeam M5
>> will work fine to a M5 AP. But the Nanobeam 5AC will not connect to a M5 ap.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Can I install NBE-M5-16 <https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanobeamm/> to a
>>> Rocket M5 AP? Or do I have to upgrade the AP as well?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series AP?

[Joe Novak]

>From what I understand Airmax in 802.11ac received a huge overhaul,
including hardware acceleration and it was not compatible with M series
airmax.  Mixed mode is the answer to that, which allows M series radios to
talk the new Airmax AC. So less about 802.11n/ac and more about Airmax then
anything.

I have seen better performance with M clients to AC APs, and now you can do
GPS Sync to M clients (officially released over the weekend, has been in
beta for maybe a month.) I have one synced tower, not able to use the same
channels because of outside interference, but, we are spaced 5mhz apart
(which according to their design guide, is not recommended). It's been
working good. I jumped as soon as the beta released because I wanted to see
it working.

Our immediate intent is not to upgrade clients until needed we are
still really up in the air on EPMP vs UBNT for the long term, but that is a
completely different discussion. We have a ton of UBNT deployed, and we
have quite a few AC APs in place as we have touched M series sectors for
adjustments over the last 6 months... we are not buying Rocket M5s anymore
- mixed mode has been working that good... but we have been trying to
decide if we where going to do the same thing for the client side.

Joe

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is this common with mixing ac & n?  For some reason I thought there was
> backwards and forwards compatibility in 802.11.
> Is it a design choice by Ubiquiti for performance reasons maybe?
>
> I could imagine that being a quandryyou don't want to keep buying the
> older stations, but maybe you can't immediately upgrade every AP either.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 11/20/2017 1:43:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series
> AP?
>
> If it's a PtP link, where you can switch the roles around and make the AC
> radio the AP and the Rocket M5 the client, that will work, but if it's a
> PtMP scenario, the only choices are to use non-AC clients or upgrade the AP
> to AC.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> M5 APs can only have M5 clients, AC APs can have both AC and M series
>> clients... so assuming you have your model number correct the Nanobeam M5
>> will work fine to a M5 AP. But the Nanobeam 5AC will not connect to a M5 ap.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Can I install NBE-M5-16 <https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanobeamm/> to a
>>> Rocket M5 AP? Or do I have to upgrade the AP as well?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series AP?

[Bill Prince]

I may be misunderstanding the way it works, but allowing M-series 
clients to connect to an AC AP would allow you to upgrade the the AP 
from M to AC now, and upgrade the clients afterward (as needed, as able).



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 11/20/2017 11:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Is this common with mixing ac & n?  For some reason I thought there 
was backwards and forwards compatibility in 802.11.

Is it a design choice by Ubiquiti for performance reasons maybe?

I could imagine that being a quandryyou don't want to keep buying 
the older stations, but maybe you can't immediately upgrade every AP 
either.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 11/20/2017 1:43:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M 
series AP?


If it's a PtP link, where you can switch the roles around and make 
the AC radio the AP and the Rocket M5 the client, that will work, but 
if it's a PtMP scenario, the only choices are to use non-AC clients 
or upgrade the AP to AC.


On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:


M5 APs can only have M5 clients, AC APs can have both AC and M
series clients... so assuming you have your model number correct
the Nanobeam M5 will work fine to a M5 AP. But the Nanobeam 5AC
will not connect to a M5 ap.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Sam Lambie
<samtaos...@gmail.com <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey all,

Can I install NBE-M5-16
<https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanobeamm/> to a Rocket M5 AP?
Or do I have to upgrade the AP as well?

Thanks
Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 <tel:%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series AP?

[Adam Moffett]

Is this common with mixing ac & n?  For some reason I thought there was 
backwards and forwards compatibility in 802.11.

Is it a design choice by Ubiquiti for performance reasons maybe?

I could imagine that being a quandryyou don't want to keep buying 
the older stations, but maybe you can't immediately upgrade every AP 
either.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 11/20/2017 1:43:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M 
series AP?


If it's a PtP link, where you can switch the roles around and make the 
AC radio the AP and the Rocket M5 the client, that will work, but if 
it's a PtMP scenario, the only choices are to use non-AC clients or 
upgrade the AP to AC.


On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
M5 APs can only have M5 clients, AC APs can have both AC and M series 
clients... so assuming you have your model number correct the Nanobeam 
M5 will work fine to a M5 AP. But the Nanobeam 5AC will not connect to 
a M5 ap.


On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Hey all,

Can I install NBE-M5-16 <https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanobeamm/> to a 
Rocket M5 AP? Or do I have to upgrade the AP as well?


Thanks
Sam

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 <tel:(575)%20758-7598> Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series AP?

[Mathew Howard]

If it's a PtP link, where you can switch the roles around and make the AC
radio the AP and the Rocket M5 the client, that will work, but if it's a
PtMP scenario, the only choices are to use non-AC clients or upgrade the AP
to AC.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> M5 APs can only have M5 clients, AC APs can have both AC and M series
> clients... so assuming you have your model number correct the Nanobeam M5
> will work fine to a M5 AP. But the Nanobeam 5AC will not connect to a M5 ap.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Can I install NBE-M5-16  to a
>> Rocket M5 AP? Or do I have to upgrade the AP as well?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AC CPE backwards comaptible with Airmax M series AP?

[Joe Novak]

M5 APs can only have M5 clients, AC APs can have both AC and M series
clients... so assuming you have your model number correct the Nanobeam M5
will work fine to a M5 AP. But the Nanobeam 5AC will not connect to a M5 ap.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Can I install NBE-M5-16  to a
> Rocket M5 AP? Or do I have to upgrade the AP as well?
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>