Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Also spectrum reuse.  With the narrow beam and O2 absorption, you can have a 
lot of 60 GHz links in an area, all using the same frequencies.  But that 
argument is lost on the WiFi folks.  And apparently the FCC folks, who are 
enamored with shared use but not so much with only pointing your RF where it is 
needed.


From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

Well it still needs a few constraints

At a range of 3 feet I bet we can do better than 12 bits/hz and use 100ghz.



  I guess i needed to define better 
  but the gist is of the usable spectrum probably less than 500gbps?

  On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

What about Li-Fi?

(it has to work, it’s from a TED talk)

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:37 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I  installed many years ago never passed data 
and phone calls?  I knew I was kidding myself. 

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc 
are all electromagnetic waves.

  The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other 
factors.  

  While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are usable 
and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz.  

  So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.  

  From: That One Guy 
  Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

  Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was 
a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the 
maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details 
like processing overhead or any of that.


  -- 

  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a 
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925





  -- 

  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a 
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925




Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-17 Thread That One Guy
I guess i needed to define better
but the gist is of the usable spectrum probably less than 500gbps?

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   What about Li-Fi?

 (it has to work, it’s from a TED talk)

  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:23 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

   At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?

  *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 6:37 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput


 So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I  installed many years ago never passed data
 and phone calls?  I knew I was kidding myself.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays
 etc are all electromagnetic waves.

 The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other
 factors.

 While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are usable
 and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz.

 So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.

  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

  Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there
 was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations.
 What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too
 far into details like processing overhead or any of that.

 --
  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925




-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-17 Thread Chuck McCown
At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:37 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I  installed many years ago never passed data and 
phone calls?  I knew I was kidding myself. 

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are 
all electromagnetic waves.

  The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors.  

  While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are usable and 
free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz.  

  So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.  

  From: That One Guy 
  Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

  Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a 
radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the 
maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details 
like processing overhead or any of that.


  -- 

  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a 
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
What about Li-Fi?

(it has to work, it’s from a TED talk)

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:37 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I  installed many years ago never passed data and 
phone calls?  I knew I was kidding myself. 

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are 
all electromagnetic waves.

  The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors.  

  While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are usable and 
free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz.  

  So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.  

  From: That One Guy 
  Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

  Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a 
radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the 
maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details 
like processing overhead or any of that.


  -- 

  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a 
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Nope.  All under 3 miles in El Paso and Cd. Juarezwe have no rain ...we
are the  Step child of Texas 
Why would we get rain!
Jaime Solorza
On Feb 17, 2015 7:24 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?

  *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 6:37 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput


 So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I  installed many years ago never passed data
 and phone calls?  I knew I was kidding myself.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays
 etc are all electromagnetic waves.

 The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other
 factors.

 While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are usable
 and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz.

 So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.

  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

  Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there
 was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations.
 What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too
 far into details like processing overhead or any of that.

 --
  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925




Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-17 Thread Adam Moffett

Well it still needs a few constraints

At a range of 3 feet I bet we can do better than 12 bits/hz and use 100ghz.



I guess i needed to define better
but the gist is of the usable spectrum probably less than 500gbps?

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:


What about Li-Fi?
(it has to work, it’s from a TED talk)
*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?
*From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 6:37 PM
*To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I installed many years ago never
passed data and phone calls?  I knew I was kidding myself.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

The entire radio spectrum is  infinite in theory as all light,
xrays etc are all electromagnetic waves.
The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and
other factors.
While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies
are usable and free space optics in IR are usable I would
limit the answer to 24 GHz.
So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.
*From:* That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming
there was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no
other limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the
entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details like
processing overhead or any of that.
-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must

remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled
by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there
must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM
maintenance manual, 1925




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925




Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-17 Thread Ty Featherling
Of course the FCC cares! They just implemented those totally realistic OOBE
limits on 5ghz! /sarcasm

-Ty

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Also spectrum reuse.  With the narrow beam and O2 absorption, you can
 have a lot of 60 GHz links in an area, all using the same frequencies.  But
 that argument is lost on the WiFi folks.  And apparently the FCC folks, who
 are enamored with shared use but not so much with only pointing your RF
 where it is needed.


  *From:* Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:23 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

  Well it still needs a few constraints

 At a range of 3 feet I bet we can do better than 12 bits/hz and use 100ghz.


  I guess i needed to define better
 but the gist is of the usable spectrum probably less than 500gbps?

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   What about Li-Fi?

 (it has to work, it’s from a TED talk)

  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:23 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

   At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?

  *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 6:37 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput


 So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I  installed many years ago never passed
 data and phone calls?  I knew I was kidding myself.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays
 etc are all electromagnetic waves.

 The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other
 factors.

 While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are
 usable and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to
 24 GHz.

 So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.

  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

  Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there
 was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations.
 What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too
 far into details like processing overhead or any of that.

 --
  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925




 --
  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925





Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke

  
  
"Some will say?"
  
  Tell that to all of the highly successful ISPs (most of whom are
  not stereotypical WISPs, but are 95% fiber and 5% microwave) using
  60 GHz for 500 to 700 meter distances, places where it could cost
  $130,000 for a fiber build.
  
  
  60 GHz, 1.4 GHz wide FDD channels, DQPSK modulation. Real one gig
  full duplex.  
  
  
  On 2/16/15 11:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


  

  The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all
light, xrays etc are all electromagnetic waves.
   
  The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall
and other factors.  
   
  While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz
frequencies are usable and free space optics in IR are
usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz.  
   
  So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.  
  

   
  
From: That One Guy

Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums
  throughput
  

 
  
  
Theoretically, based on current bits/hz
  maximums, and assuming there was a radio capable, and an
  antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the
  maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going
  too far into details like processing overhead or any of
  that.
   
  -- 
  
All parts should
go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by
you. Therefore, if you can't get them together
again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

  

  

  


  



Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-16 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
And one strand of fiber? Probably not far from the same by the end of 
the decade. 100Gbps already exists.


On 2/16/2015 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays 
etc are all electromagnetic waves.
The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other 
factors.
While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are 
usable and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer 
to 24 GHz.

So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.
*From:* That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there 
was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other 
limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio 
spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or 
any of that.

--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925




Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-16 Thread Bill Prince

Douglas Adams had the answer years ago.

42

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 2/16/2015 3:19 PM, That One Guy wrote:
Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there 
was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other 
limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio 
spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or 
any of that.


--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925




Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are 
all electromagnetic waves.

The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors.  

While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are usable and 
free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz.  

So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.  

From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a 
radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the 
maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details 
like processing overhead or any of that.


-- 

All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925


Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-16 Thread TJ Trout
The entire radio spectrum? From dc to daylight? I don't think anyone can
answer that question for you

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a
 radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is
 the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into
 details like processing overhead or any of that.

 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Multiply that by about 300 (largest WDM platform I've heard of). 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:50:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput 


And one strand of fiber? Probably not far from the same by the end of the 
decade. 100Gbps already exists. 

On 2/16/2015 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





The entire radio spectrum is infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are all 
electromagnetic waves. 

The “usable” “RF” spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors. 

While some will say that 60 GHz is usable and THz frequencies are usable and 
free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz. 

So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps. 




From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput 


Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a 
radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the 
maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details 
like processing overhead or any of that. 

-- 


All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925 






Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-16 Thread Mark Radabaugh
I'm guessing you head to infinity on that one.   The shortest wavelength 
is 1.616 x 10^-35 meters or a frequency of 1.8552 x 10^43 Hz.
Unfortunately the amount of energy required to create that frequency 
also results in the creation of a black hole and your transmitter 
disappears.


Mark



On 2/16/15 6:19 PM, That One Guy wrote:
Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there 
was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other 
limitations. What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio 
spectrum not going too far into details like processing overhead or 
any of that.


--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021



Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I  installed many years ago never passed data
and phone calls?  I knew I was kidding myself.

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays
 etc are all electromagnetic waves.

 The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other
 factors.

 While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are usable
 and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz.

 So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.

  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

  Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was
 a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is
 the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into
 details like processing overhead or any of that.

 --
  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-16 Thread Gino Villarini
Afaik its 400 gbps



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com 
geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2015 at 7:50 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

And one strand of fiber? Probably not far from the same by the end of the 
decade. 100Gbps already exists.

On 2/16/2015 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays etc are 
all electromagnetic waves.

The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other factors.

While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are usable and 
free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to 24 GHz.

So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.

From: That One Guymailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a 
radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the 
maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details 
like processing overhead or any of that.

--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

2015-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Oh, yeah,  photon energy.  I forgot about that.  So there is an upper limit.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

I'm guessing you head to infinity on that one.   The shortest wavelength is 
1.616 x 10^-35 meters or a frequency of 1.8552 x 10^43 Hz.Unfortunately the 
amount of energy required to create that frequency also results in the creation 
of a black hole and your transmitter disappears.

Mark



On 2/16/15 6:19 PM, That One Guy wrote:

  Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there was a 
radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations. What is the 
maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too far into details 
like processing overhead or any of that.


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