RE: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread John Rose
> -Original Message- > From: Russ Hurlbut via AGI > > 1. Where do you lean regarding the measure of intelligence? - more towards > that of Hutter (the ability to predict the future) or towards > Winser-Gross/Freer > (causal entropy - soft of a proxy for future opportunities; ref >

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread johnrose
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Mahoney via AGI >... Yes, I'm familiar with these algorithmic information theory *specifics*. Very applicable when implemented in isolated systems... > No, it (and Legg's generalizations) implies that a lot of software and > hardware > is required and

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
John et al Is there a truth in all of this? If you cannot see it, then you cannot see it. Einstein could see it, how the universe operated, except for what happened beyond the speed of light. Can you see the consciousness at work? Can you sense and immerse in it? Can you hear the myriad of

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread Russ Hurlbut via AGI
John - Thanks for a refreshingly new discussion for this forum. Just as you describe, it is quite interesting to see how seemingly disparate tracks can be combined and guided onto the same course. Accordingly, your presentation has brought to mind similar notions that appear to fit somewhere

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread Matt Mahoney via AGI
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 8:10 AM wrote: > Why is there no single general compression algorithm? Same reason as general > intelligence, thus, multi-agent, thus inter agent communication, thus > protocol, and thus consciousness. Legg proved that there are no simple, general theories of

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
John At a quantum level of electro-magnetic force activity (thinking of the graviton in action) - all 4 forces obviously entangled - there seems to be no plausible reason why the human brain and the earth could not resonate collectively as a communication beacon with the universe. Refer

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread johnrose
Nanograte, > In particular, the notion of a universal communication protocol. To me it > seems to have a definite ring of truth to it. It does doesn't it?! For years I've worked with signaling and protocols lending some time to imagining a universal protocol. And for years I've thought about

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread johnrose
Matt, Zoom out. Think multi-agent not single agent. Multi-agent internally and externally. Evaluate this proposition not from first-person narrative and it begins to make sense. Why is there no single general compression algorithm? Same reason as general intelligence, thus, multi-agent, thus

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
For starters, I' d like to see a collection of reputable, academic works defining consciousness. Having said that, I'm enjoying the sharing of ideas and cooking-class banter. In particular, the notion of a universal communication protocol. To me it seems to have a definite ring of truth to it.

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Nuzz via AGI
I'll take jargon salad over buzzword soup any day. On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 3:26 PM Matt Mahoney via AGI wrote: > Recipe for jargon salad. > > Two cups of computer science. > One cup mathematics. > One cup electrical engineering. > One cup neuroscience. > One half cup information theory. > Four