Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-24 Thread Jim Bromer via AGI
You have an imaginative synthesis of a number of different ideas. I can read your comments as a kind of poetry, but I cannot take them as literal realities. Quantum entanglement, for example, is an effort to explain a phenomena that seems contrary to what would be expected given the success of

Re: [agi] Honestly?

2018-09-24 Thread Robert Levy via AGI
I just recently wrote some thoughts on twitter about this. My thoughts there are a rough sketch at bridging the gap of doubt between personal experience on one hand and the compelling case for cybernetic totalism on the other. I'm thinking of expanding this is into a full article to better make

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-24 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
I'm beginning to think that consciousness is the pathway to intelligence. Bear with me. At first, it sounds "illogical". However, we could entertain the notion that experience-based learning is practically impossible without a consciousness, then it becomes logical. If we need both

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-24 Thread Jim Bromer via AGI
Matt's response - like an adolescent's flip remark - is evidence of the kind of denial that I mentioned. Jim Bromer On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:49 AM Matt Mahoney via AGI wrote: > > I wrote a simple reinforcement learner which includes the line of code: > > printf("Ouch!\n"); > > So I don't see

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-24 Thread Matt Mahoney via AGI
I wrote a simple reinforcement learner which includes the line of code: printf("Ouch!\n"); So I don't see communication of qualia as a major obstacle to AGI. Or do you mean something else by qualia? On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 5:21 AM John Rose wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Matt

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-24 Thread Jim Bromer via AGI
John, There are aspects of the intelligent understanding of the world (universe of things and ideas) that can be modelled and simulated. I think this is computable in an AI program except the problem of complexity would slow the modelling down so much that it would not be effective enough (at this

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*consciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-24 Thread Jim Bromer via AGI
Well I see a problem. I cannot find a test to demonstrate that the mysterious part of conscious experience that most of us sense because, from my point of view, the science to detect it has not been developed and Matt would not be able to find a scientific test to prove that it does not exist