RE: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-14 Thread John Rose
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Mahoney via AGI > > > It's relevant if consciousness is the secret sauce. and if it applies to the > complexity problem. > > Jim is right. I don't believe in magic. > A Recipe for a Theory Mind Three pints of AIT (Algorithmic Information Theory) Ale

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-14 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
from those principles of success. We still have to remain pragmatic and keep it relevant to mankind. Else, it would not be AGI in any case. From: John Rose Sent: Friday, 14 September 2018 6:20 PM To: 'AGI' Subject: RE: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-14 Thread Jim Bromer via AGI
If you want to talk about user experience then do so (as you just did.) Do not conflate human experience with programming constructs and then find a tangential argument to justify it. Jim Bromer On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:21 PM John Rose wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Jim Bromer

RE: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-14 Thread John Rose
> -Original Message- > From: Jim Bromer via AGI > > > There are some complications of the experience of our existence, and those > complications may be explained by the complex processes of mind. > Since we can think we can think about the experience of life and interweave > the strands

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-13 Thread Jim Bromer via AGI
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/science/plants-consciousness-anesthesia.html?module=Promotron=Body=click=article Jim Bromer On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 8:01 PM Jim Bromer wrote: > > Conscious experience - the soul or whatever it is - is not relevant to > contemporary computer science. I do not

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-13 Thread Jim Bromer via AGI
Conscious experience - the soul or whatever it is - is not relevant to contemporary computer science. I do not agree with the dismissal of that feeling of experience either. As I told Marvin Minsky I do agree that whatever conscious experience is it probably has the potential to be explained by

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-13 Thread Matt Mahoney via AGI
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 4:15 PM wrote: > On Thursday, September 13, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: > > I don't even think that stuff is relevant. > > > Jim, > > It's relevant if consciousness is the secret sauce. and if it applies to > the complexity problem. > Jim is right. I don't believe

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-13 Thread johnrose
On Thursday, September 13, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: > I don't even think that stuff is relevant. Jim, It's relevant if consciousness is the secret sauce. and if it applies to the complexity problem. Would a non-conscious entity have a reason to develop AGI? John

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-13 Thread Jim Bromer via AGI
12 September 2018 10:27 PM > *To:* AGI > *Subject:* Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn > et alonsciousness^2 ?) > > "Can you see the consciousness at work? Can you sense and immerse in > it? Can you hear the myriad of messages clipping

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2018-09-12 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2018 10:27 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?) "Can you see the consciousness at work? Can you sense and immerse in it? Can you hear the myriad of messages clipping by? If so, you'll re

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-12 Thread Mike Archbold via AGI
"Can you see the consciousness at work? Can you sense and immerse in it? Can you hear the myriad of messages clipping by? If so, you'll realize it is pervasive, endless, and not locality driven, not discrete. Like the waves of the ocean, the outcome of a whole universe conspiring to tell its

RE: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-12 Thread John Rose
> -Original Message- > From: Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI > > Challenging a la Haramein? No doubt. But that is what the adventure is all > about. Have we managed to wrap our minds fully round the implications of > Mandelbrot's contribution? And then, there is so much else of

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-11 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
hy such a feat would not be possible. Rob From: John Rose Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2018 3:41 PM To: agi@agi.topicbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?) > -Original Message- > From: Nanogr

Re: [agi] E=mc^2 Morphism Musings... (Intelligence=math*cJohn et alonsciousness^2 ?)

2018-09-10 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
John et al Is there a truth in all of this? If you cannot see it, then you cannot see it. Einstein could see it, how the universe operated, except for what happened beyond the speed of light. Can you see the consciousness at work? Can you sense and immerse in it? Can you hear the myriad of