Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread John Rose
If lossy or lossless is crisp an A Priori or A Posteriori definition cannot be determined unless the complexity of all compressors are partitioned but the decompression results are not known until execution on all possible data... which is impossible.  FWIW. So I suspect they're fuzzy and not

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
Huh? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T36c83eb0aa31fc55-M2ecb85dae16d46a59a74f7d9 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread John Rose
On Friday, November 01, 2019, at 3:48 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Death improves U. Death. The inevitable lossy compression but if you have a soul it could be lossylosslessness  HEY!!! -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
if you have 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bits (all 0s) and say there is 111 0s, then you compress a long pattern into a digit. A simple generator Actor. - bits; 111 - 3 bits (8 zeros) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
Google is clearly making mistakes - the search bar says "What do you want to know".what if i want to go to a place, a forum, to teach others? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
Btw a computer sim can be deterministic each run, but the guy in the sim recognizes his cat as an approx. match! And not only death is needed to improve things, but also competition - pain. Pain makes you improve. Death improves U. -- Artificial General

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
So lossless becomes lossy after all that. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T36c83eb0aa31fc55-M0eb7abb34b6a99c4e587ff09 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
you can compress 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bits to 80 bits. and they can be in all sorts of wonderous pattern shapes. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

[agi] Re: utter rubbish post

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
comes to bite you in the bum. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te3b75f99e52289f7-Mc80777f2ce5abd24c57fc9de Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
You can start a physics sim using 80 bits and create a unique bitstream ex. 101101100... Fast too. But if you want other types, takes longer and/or more bits. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 6:07 AM Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: > CYC was not a big team and got pretty far. > No it didn't. Cyc was a big lesson on the failure of rule based AI. Lenat had no idea how many rules are needed to implement AI. Now 35 years later we know it's more than a million. There was

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread John Rose
Well you could have a compressor that starts off lossless then intelligently decides that  it needs to operates faster due to some criteria and then compress particular less-important data branches lossily. Then it would fall into the middle ground no?  A hybrid. And vice versa, on

[agi] Re: utter rubbish post

2019-11-01 Thread keghnfeem
      Like a smarty pants that removes deadly disease from the world and then we forget all about it . Then a few centuries later it come back kills everyone off because we lost are immunity to it is gone.   Combating mosquito-borne diseases with bacteria:    

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
It's all about evolution, decompression, self-regeneration. PHYSICS! Time-space. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T36c83eb0aa31fc55-M8f0703fe38153b44cbb9a992 Delivery options:

[agi] Re: utter rubbish post

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
SMASH and SWATS BUG with FLY SWATTER -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te3b75f99e52289f7-Mb0157fd1e0be27e506dede7a Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
nonbeliever crap.    your saying that the law of gravity isnt just a rule.  rules work. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T10119d5c27aad6be-Mdf57115e57ecb94e62d3a842 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
or however many it takes.   it could be more than 80 bits,  but its still a product of the log how much bits it was,  and its not necessarily what it takes to store, you have to process it to the output as well. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread korrelan
I agree with WOM... Lossless relies on a mathematical algorithm to re-constitute the data, compression is achieved through a re-coding/ translation/ more efficient use of the storage/ transmission medium. Lossy relies on embedded knowledge within the decoder to re-constitute the original data.

[agi] Re: utter rubbish post

2019-11-01 Thread keghnfeem
Measles makes body 'forget' how to fight infection: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-50251259 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te3b75f99e52289f7-M8fca18044d8bb19b46183c2b Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
It's a cycle of life/death, pleasure/pain. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T36c83eb0aa31fc55-Mbd10e6ac4233578bce5aa438 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
no, you cannot invent context,   you must have the ENTIRE context in the 80 bits.  FULLY DESCRIBED,  or your dreaming. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T36c83eb0aa31fc55-M451c95da1d096377303293b0

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
https://support.sas.com/resources/papers/proceedings17/SAS0514-2017.pdf -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T36c83eb0aa31fc55-M7b3f325b94d6989d1e060668 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/160479/practical-hyperparameter-optimization-random-vs-grid-search -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T36c83eb0aa31fc55-M29da34c4791f4f9832ca97fc Delivery

[agi] AGI Roadmap: Thinking with Conjunctions.

2019-11-01 Thread A.T. Murray
The Mentifex open AI project has released artificial Minds programmed in Perl and Forth and JavaScript, thinking with Natural Language Understanding in English and Latin and Russian. If more than one idea becomes active in the AI Mind, the etc variable calls the ConJoin module to generate a

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
Google should say "What do you want to find?" .. going places is also a thing just as much as knowing something is -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T10119d5c27aad6be-M15ea2c95f8c56f2eb9367f45

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread doddy
if it is comforting facebook,uber, nvidia are developing ai. On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 10:36 PM wrote: > In the second answer we see someone thinks schools don't teach much, only > in high-school. This is wrong actually, parents and teachers teach a LOT by > then, but a lot of it can be said

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
Yep.  indie rule is true. Its just a bunny suit conspiracy saying you need capital for anything in computers. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T10119d5c27aad6be-Md13a60d74f41f57c59e84a66 Delivery

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
CYC was not a big team and got pretty far. On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 02:40, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Big companies with trillion dollar market caps are making real advances in > AI because AI is expensive. Have you been paying attention at all? > > And that's AI, not AGI. AGI is the $1 quadrillion

Re: [agi] Re: group on Telegram if you would like please join here

2019-11-01 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
Also, "self-promotion" is not allowed. Those places are the evil ones. On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 06:01, wrote: > Ok I joined. What goes on on there usually? It looks less like a > conversation and more like a sticky-note comprised of sharing resources. > *Artificial General Intelligence List

[agi] utter rubbish post

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
since this forum is getting that trashy cause we didn't get banned, and now we get what we deserve, i've got another trashy thing to add. Everything everyone is coming up with is worth something, only a supernatural act can stop man as a whole from developing an a.i. on the level of a quite a

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread WriterOfMinds
John, now that you've elaborated some more, I think you're just trying to say: there may exist an algorithm that performs lossy compression in the general case, but achieves lossless compression on certain specialized datasets. As far as I know, that's possible. It doesn't create some middle

Re: [agi] Re: group on Telegram if you would like please join here

2019-11-01 Thread korrelan
I joined a few days ago and left/ deleted it yesterday, it's going to take a month of inactivity for my account to be fully removed apparently.   Typical chat environment, no considered posts/ content... to much posturing/ nonsense and not enough thinking. I read all the various feeds... er...

Re: [agi] Re: group on Telegram if you would like please join here

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
not into installs thanks. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tc7f6ce83ae20b45a-M91491eb5c47d180eea408b14 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
The lossless compressed result is not the same file anymore, it doesn't contain all the information therefore. It just so happens to re-generate back the exact file. Some lossless decompressors take longer to decompress also. And Lossy (when expect all data to return) takes very long - maybe