Re: [agi] Re: Optimizing for Rewiring

2021-08-13 Thread magnuswootton81
Technical Risk?   I dont see any,   its win - win development,  if it doesnt work you get to hammer a mole and move on, if it works, then thats excellent. Hey Keghn!    Cellular automata would whip butt on an fpga as well,  its only a matter of time before it diverts away from your controls. 

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread immortal . discoveries
"- evolution selects instincts fit for their own propagation, innate but postnatally modulated by usage, - conditioning value-loads stimuli preceding (instrumental for) previously value-loaded stimuli, - cognitive curiosity searches for predictive patterns, even among initially value-free

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread Boris Kazachenko
Sorry, wrong link,  https://meta-evolution.blogspot.com/2012/01/cognitive-expansion-curiosity-as.html -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5b614d3e3bb8e0da-Md383e9168039e25539f81635 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread Boris Kazachenko
You are mixing-up instincts, conditioning, and cognition. I am only talking about cognitive function. I make those distinctions in the last post:  https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/4539256615029980916/407095229373126 -- Artificial General

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread immortal . discoveries
"Ideas have no agency" There 'is' no agency, just reflexes that happen (cough, etc), goals like food and sex that boast, and frequently heard news that primes. Things in a brain just come out one's mouth like a reflex. Just like that. Actions done are really mirroring the senses triggered. So,

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread Boris Kazachenko
On Friday, August 13, 2021, at 7:28 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > The mind ideas are trying to survive, really they are, and in doing so they > eventually help the host survive. I don't thinks so. Ideas have no agency, and they only help the host in proportion to their predictive power. Ok,

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread Boris Kazachenko
On Friday, August 13, 2021, at 6:36 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Are you aware that field observations of eusocial insects has pretty well > debunked the idea that the "cooperative" behavior of the sterile castes has > little to do with their relatedness and even less to do with reciprocation? I

Re: [agi] Re: Optimizing for Rewiring

2021-08-13 Thread keghnfeem
On Friday, August 13, 2021, at 4:28 PM, keghnfeem wrote: > the hippocampus in a sequence.  This is the same as unsupervised auto encoder down sampling. Then these down samples are recorded into a sequence. Then the unsupervised auto encoder comes around again and down sample the  sequence.  In

Re: [agi] Re: Optimizing for Rewiring

2021-08-13 Thread keghnfeem
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, at 2:05 PM, magnuswootton81 wrote: > About a numenta type network on an f  Numenta just focus on the neo cortex and they think everything else is junk dna.  The hippocampus is need for temporal pattern detection. Sure, the neocortex perceptorn detect sub features.

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread immortal . discoveries
@Boris's link "Living organisms metabolize matter and energy to propagate their pattern (information), while cognitive systems “metabolize” patterns: learn and forget information, to increase their predictive power.  " Yes however perhaps a slight correction is that living organisms are

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread James Bowery
Are you aware that field observations of eusocial insects has pretty well debunked the idea that the "cooperative" behavior of the sterile castes has little to do with their relatedness and even less to do with reciprocation? On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 3:48 PM Boris Kazachenko wrote: > Utterly

[agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread Boris Kazachenko
Utterly vacuous, as usual. Here is something actually meaningful, if you can understand it: https://meta-evolution.blogspot.com/ -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

[agi] Re: Image recognition from fewest pixels

2021-08-13 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
On Wednesday, August 11, 2021, at 12:04 PM, magnuswootton81 wrote: > Ever thought of doing it in the 3d space instead of 2d?  Might offer some > advantages The algorithms themselves support this. In fact, the number of dimensions is already flexible in the central helper class (URecognizer

Re: [agi] Re: Optimizing for Rewiring

2021-08-13 Thread James Bowery
I need a mixed signal IC consultant to do a technical risk evaluation before proceeding further with my approach. Know any? On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 9:09 AM wrote: > oops sorry I missed something you wrote. > With your design, it looks good, are u going to implement it? Is it > ready to go

Re: [agi] Re: Optimizing for Rewiring

2021-08-13 Thread magnuswootton81
oops sorry I missed something you wrote. With your design,  it looks good,   are u going to implement it?   Is it ready to go now? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

[agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread magnuswootton81
I take it Ben is the one doing the talking here? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5b614d3e3bb8e0da-M470cd8b445234780b8b45f97 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

[agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Aug 13 7:30AM Pacific: Open Ended Motivational Systems for AGIs

2021-08-13 Thread Ben Goertzel
A couple blog posts, posted just now, summing up some of the ideas I plan to discuss in the group tomorrow/l Paraconsistent Interzones: https://bengoertzel.substack.com/p/paraconsistent-interzones Open-Ended Motivations: https://bengoertzel.substack.com/p/open-ended-motivations ;) ben On Thu,