[agi] Re: Rescuing Computer Science With the Relational Dimensions of the Empirical World

2021-09-10 Thread John Rose
On Friday, September 10, 2021, at 9:10 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > None of this makes senseare you ok? How does this improve GPT-3? Please > say fewer wordstoo many circles going on . immortal.discoveries this is a intellectually insightful contribution by James Bowery take

Re: [agi] UNDERSTANDING -- Part I -- the Survey, online discussion: Sunday 10 a.m. Pacific Time, evening in Europe, you are invited

2021-09-10 Thread Rob Freeman
On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 2:25 PM wrote: > I can pack all my AI mechanisms down to 1 word, all like 16 of them. Never > seen anyone do much of this. > What's the word? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] UNDERSTANDING -- Part I -- the Survey, online discussion: Sunday 10 a.m. Pacific Time, evening in Europe, you are invited

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
I can pack all my AI mechanisms down to 1 word, all like 16 of them. Never seen anyone do much of this. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T2ee04a3eb9a964b5-Mc9a605d31b9d451bd7c1def0 Delivery

Re: [agi] UNDERSTANDING -- Part I -- the Survey, online discussion: Sunday 10 a.m. Pacific Time, evening in Europe, you are invited

2021-09-10 Thread Rob Freeman
On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 12:39 PM Matt Mahoney wrote: > I don't understand why we are so hung up on the definition of > understanding. I think this is like the old debate over whether machines > could think. Can submarines swim? > It's just shorthand for the continued failure of machines at any

Re: [agi] UNDERSTANDING -- Part I -- the Survey, online discussion: Sunday 10 a.m. Pacific Time, evening in Europe, you are invited

2021-09-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
Why such long definitions? Like I wrote in the survey, if you can predict Chinese text then you understand Chinese. A data compressor can do this too, but who cares if it "understands"? I care about how humans learn language and how to model it in my algorithms. On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 11:19 PM

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Sep 10 7AM Pacific: Characterizing and Implementing Human-Like Consciousness

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
Sure you can make a super duper HQ (RTS pun, good game, great songs; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KAVfhqH0zg) GPT-9 that predicts really really good, but it won't ever nag about AGI all day, like me. And that's a problem. On the bright side, It will not nag about the common words like the,

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Sep 10 7AM Pacific: Characterizing and Implementing Human-Like Consciousness

2021-09-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 12:21 AM wrote: > > I already know how to make it emerge a desire to maintain input, learning, > and output. You need this ability if you want AGI. > No you don't. You only need to model it in humans so you can predict human behavior. Then you program a robot to carry out

Re: [agi] UNDERSTANDING -- Part I -- the Survey, online discussion: Sunday 10 a.m. Pacific Time, evening in Europe, you are invited

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
(You can add that above too Mike if you want, I think it is a good post for the topic too.) You can leave out the first paragraph, it is more to Matt. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] UNDERSTANDING -- Part I -- the Survey, online discussion: Sunday 10 a.m. Pacific Time, evening in Europe, you are invited

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
@Matt, just treat his question with the answer you believe in, for example whether he asked me how GPT works, or my AI works, or how a human brain works, or what job he should get, or what is the coolest toy to buy at Walmart, I will ALWAYS answer him back with this: "my AGI plans", which is

Re: [agi] UNDERSTANDING -- Part I -- the Survey, online discussion: Sunday 10 a.m. Pacific Time, evening in Europe, you are invited

2021-09-10 Thread Mike Archbold
It's an easy question to answer... if we know what the machine understands, we know what it can do. If we don't know what it understands, we might not. So that's why we don't want sloppy definitions of understanding in an opaque age of gigantic neural networks. On 9/10/21, Matt Mahoney wrote: >

Re: [agi] UNDERSTANDING -- Part I -- the Survey, online discussion: Sunday 10 a.m. Pacific Time, evening in Europe, you are invited

2021-09-10 Thread Matt Mahoney
I don't understand why we are so hung up on the definition of understanding. I think this is like the old debate over whether machines could think. Can submarines swim? Philosophy is arguing about the meanings of words. It is the opposite of engineering, which is about solving problems. Define

[agi] Re: Rescuing Computer Science With the Relational Dimensions of the Empirical World

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
None of this makes senseare you ok? How does this improve GPT-3? Please say fewer wordstoo many circles going on . -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

[agi] Re: [opencog-dev] AGI discussion group, Sep 10 7AM Pacific: Characterizing and Implementing Human-Like Consciousness

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
I'm excited Dave has not only on his mind GPT-2, but also GPT-2+intents. I too saw last year how much powerfuller it is than GPT-3. Facebook's Blender and PPLM do this, they force it using a persona to control the rambling of GPT-2. It was the next big step for GPT-3. DALL-E was also the next

[agi] RE: [opencog-dev] AGI discussion group, Sep 10 7AM Pacific: Characterizing and Implementing Human-Like Consciousness

2021-09-10 Thread Dave Xanatos
Thanks Ben, Nils and all who participated, I appreciate the thought enrichment, I have many trails to investigate after this. I would enjoy it very much if, at some point, those of us interested could go "down that rabbit hole" of the hard problem of consciousness. And possibly to explore why

Re: [agi] Re: openAI gossip

2021-09-10 Thread doddy
i hope they use this in gpt-4. Infinite Memory Transformer: Attending to Arbitrarily Long Contexts Without Increasing Computation Burden | Synced (syncedreview.com) On

[agi] Rescuing Computer Science With the Relational Dimensions of the Empirical World

2021-09-10 Thread James Bowery
Any approach to AGI needs a mathematical metaphysics. The most widely-accepted such metaphysics at present is the Turing Machine's foundation for Algorithmic Information Theory. While some Theories of Everything argue against the implied causal structure's unidirectional "arrow-of-time" it is

[agi] Re: What is the exact code to evaluate by Perplexity?

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
Others's scores are below, seems we are going to neurocitripia center soon if this line keeps going downsingularity stuff here no? https://paperswithcode.com/sota/language-modelling-on-wikitext-103 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI

[agi] Re: What is the exact code to evaluate by Perplexity?

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
ok i got it!!! Here is the Perplexity evaluation to score the prediction, below. You can make this more compact, I only had just wrote it up. So how it works is see those strings a, b, c below? Those are the correct predictions, how right/wrong you got them for 3 sets of 256 letterĀ 

Re: [agi] Re: AGI discussion group, Sep 10 7AM Pacific: Characterizing and Implementing Human-Like Consciousness

2021-09-10 Thread Rob Freeman
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 2:59 PM Ben Goertzel via AGI wrote: > ah yes these are very familiar. materials! ;) > > Linas Vepstas and I have been batting around Coecke's papers for an > awfully long time now... Good. I know I mentioned it to Linas in 2019, and possibly even 2010, but I didn't

[agi] Re: What is the exact code to evaluate by Perplexity?

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
In python preferabbly. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te74ace9de14080e4-M64baf3c648d692d5049adbb4 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

[agi] What is the exact code to evaluate by Perplexity?

2021-09-10 Thread immortal . discoveries
Others seem to call it from pytorch or something, but I want the exact code, it isn't long at all. I don't want to convert my LC score, I want the actual (small as can be) code to do Perplexity. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: