Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-10-15 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
Is not any compression procedural generation? :) On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 03:52, wrote: > You cant compress data more than 10%, and thats music mp3, or a 1 bit adc > if your technically clever. Text will never get below the point where it > cant be lossless anymore. Compression is a

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-10-14 Thread rouncer81
thats 15 percent, its not that far. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8d109c89dd30f9b5-M242a7d66e12ad80347a3f993 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-10-14 Thread immortal . discoveries
The 100MB text was losslessly compressed to ~15MB :)far from 10% -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8d109c89dd30f9b5-Mdb2c8b1e9d59eaaec9a0f51a Delivery options:

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-10-14 Thread rouncer81
You cant compress data more than 10%,  and thats music mp3, or a 1 bit adc if your technically clever.  Text will never get below the point where it cant be lossless anymore.   Compression is a guaranteed failure if you want something more than a sensical entropic limit. But,  there is an

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-10-13 Thread Steve Richfield
The whole compression argument seems to fly in the face of Game Theory, which says that optimum choices in a competitive environment are best made by RANDOMLY choosing between the alternatives according to calculated probabilities. Hence, "understanding" history has serious limits that are buried

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-27 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, September 25, 2019, at 7:01 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Yes, what is missing is the parsimony of your measure, since the Perplexity > and Logical Expectation measures have open parameters that if filled properly > reduce to K-Complexity. James, interesting, thanks for making us

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-25 Thread James Bowery
Yes, what is missing is the parsimony of your measure, since the Perplexity and Logical Expectation measures have open parameters that if filled properly reduce to K-Complexity. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-24 Thread John Rose
I'm thinking of a mathematical measure called "What The Fuckedness".  WTF({K, P, Le, ...}), K-Complexity, Perplexity and Logical Expectation. Anything missing? It can predict the expressive pattern on someone’s face when they go and type phrases into Mentifex's website expecting AI. John

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-23 Thread James Bowery
In what way is coming up with the most predictive model given a set of observations not the essence of "is" as opposed to "ought"? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-23 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
> Compression is the "science" of AGI Or maybe not On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 01:52, James Bowery wrote: > Compression is the "science" of AGI and the value function parameterizing > sequential decision theory is its "engineering". So, yes, I did need to > explicate the value function of this

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-23 Thread James Bowery
Compression is the "science" of AGI and the value function parameterizing sequential decision theory is its "engineering".  So, yes, I did need to explicate the value function of this test, which is "minimize the size of the executable archive of *this* data set (as opposed to one of your own

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-23 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
OK so what they're looking for is a "good pattern finder" algorithm, one that is small enough that it carries its own weight in this benchmark. Yeah, it's nice and all, compression is a great thing. But maybe the algorithms grown here don't really translate to other AI problems all that well.

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-23 Thread immortal . discoveries
Compression has to do with the neural model, representations. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T8d109c89dd30f9b5-M33fc1d9d2b3ca223682d9ea3 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-23 Thread immortal . discoveries
Haha Stefan I was thinking that too my bro I agree compression=intelligence. But even if maxed compressed, it won't be AGI. For example AGI has a reward system, passing this feat won't involve rewards. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-23 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
I don't quite understand that benchmark. When I have a compressor for text, how would that give me any kind of AI function? Like a machine that answers questions, recognizes things visually or what have you? Is this related to AI at all? On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 23:54, James Bowery wrote: > All

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-09-23 Thread James Bowery
All anyone has to do to prove they've "solve AI" is best The Large Text Compression Benchmark .  As a fan of Chuck Moore, I eagerly await A. T. Murray's submission to that contest (but I'm not holding my breath).

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

2019-02-15 Thread justcamel
make it stop, please. On 16/02/2019 06:05, A.T. Murray wrote: A rising tide lifts all boats, right? Therefore each AGI project wants to help all the other AGI projects. So we keep an eye on the robotics subReddit and we pounce with AGI memes when we see a topic like "Scientists call for ban