Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
Google should say "What do you want to find?" .. going places is also a thing just as much as knowing something is -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T10119d5c27aad6be-M15ea2c95f8c56f2eb9367f45

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread immortal . discoveries
Google is clearly making mistakes - the search bar says "What do you want to know".what if i want to go to a place, a forum, to teach others? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
nonbeliever crap.    your saying that the law of gravity isnt just a rule.  rules work. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T10119d5c27aad6be-Mdf57115e57ecb94e62d3a842 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 6:07 AM Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: > CYC was not a big team and got pretty far. > No it didn't. Cyc was a big lesson on the failure of rule based AI. Lenat had no idea how many rules are needed to implement AI. Now 35 years later we know it's more than a million. There was

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread rouncer81
Yep.  indie rule is true. Its just a bunny suit conspiracy saying you need capital for anything in computers. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T10119d5c27aad6be-Md13a60d74f41f57c59e84a66 Delivery

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
CYC was not a big team and got pretty far. On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 02:40, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Big companies with trillion dollar market caps are making real advances in > AI because AI is expensive. Have you been paying attention at all? > > And that's AI, not AGI. AGI is the $1 quadrillion

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-11-01 Thread doddy
if it is comforting facebook,uber, nvidia are developing ai. On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 10:36 PM wrote: > In the second answer we see someone thinks schools don't teach much, only > in high-school. This is wrong actually, parents and teachers teach a LOT by > then, but a lot of it can be said

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-31 Thread immortal . discoveries
In the second answer we see someone thinks schools don't teach much, only in high-school. This is wrong actually, parents and teachers teach a LOT by then, but a lot of it can be said once. There's tons of room for improvement. -- Artificial General

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-31 Thread immortal . discoveries
Don't be scared of Google etc. They are bigger, there is more members who have tight communication and similar beliefs and have high quality experience and lots of money and respect and a happy mind with shelter etc. But everyone has a purpose - even if it means having no role. We can make

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-31 Thread Matt Mahoney
Big companies with trillion dollar market caps are making real advances in AI because AI is expensive. Have you been paying attention at all? And that's AI, not AGI. AGI is the $1 quadrillion problem of automating human labor. If nobody can do that with $1 trillion, what chance do you think you

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-31 Thread rouncer81
They arent AGI projects what open ai do, they are applied a.i.   I hate google, its not a true representation of the demographic of the internet. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-30 Thread immortal . discoveries
The only people advancing AGI seems more and more to be larger companies like Open AI and Google. They get more mentions. They are super rich now and famous and have a huge team. They re-use their architectures across OpenAI5, the Arm, GPT-2, MuseNet, Image Completer, Hide & Seek. And they give

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-30 Thread Steve Richfield
The AI problem is analogous to the UFO problem - there appears to be something there that works, but no one has a clue as to even where to start to figure out how it works. Steve On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:58 AM wrote: > oh! damn I hate misinterpreting things, I need to concentrate harder when >

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-30 Thread rouncer81
oh! damn I hate misinterpreting things, I need to concentrate harder when im reading other ppls posts...  god sorry. Yeh! haha! watch out its a small world!!! -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-30 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
Nooo, I just meant that my publicly declared hate is now a thing one can find online... On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 10:48, wrote: > Why is that Stefan - ask me more questions and ill help clarify things if > u want me to. > Im not sure if these things I say are to be said, or kept secret... >

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-30 Thread rouncer81
Why is that Stefan -  ask me more questions and ill help clarify things if u want me to. Im not sure if these things I say are to be said, or kept secret... because people arent supposed to know? Here is my unit - and its using search, and it seems quite lively.

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-30 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
Sigh. Now this mail's subject is haunting me... On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 09:56, wrote: > I wouldnt call it a complete ripoff - a search can kick your butt at > chess, or any other domain for that matter, and it actually can seem > "alive" if a computer looks all ends and picks the max. The

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-30 Thread rouncer81
I wouldnt call it a complete ripoff - a search can kick your butt at chess, or any other domain for that matter, and it actually can seem "alive" if a computer looks all ends and picks the max.     The future of a.i. is searching, I dont think its even moral to make something that can think

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-29 Thread Mike Archbold
Really in order to "understand" in a fashion analogous to humans, the AI needs more or less fullblown common sense, the always elusive defect. Unless their AI has common sense baked in, they shouldn't say "understand" unless they qualify it with what they define "understand" as. Otherwise --

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-29 Thread rouncer81
yeh they should say its the product of a search in a model,  its not actually understanding. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T10119d5c27aad6be-M1350617c16e43cfd409ab1d9 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-29 Thread Mike Archbold
What bothers me is when hot shot engineers (much younger than me) say "our AI understands" .. but it's a shell game! They don't define "understand" and nobody knows really what it is or how it works. Everybody uses their own definition. On 10/29/19, John Rose wrote: > On Monday, October 28,

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-29 Thread John Rose
On Monday, October 28, 2019, at 9:10 AM, doddy wrote: > did anyone study > google plaNet. In Python, link:   https://danijar.com/project/planet/ -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-28 Thread doddy
did anyone study google plaNet. On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:28 AM wrote: > Sorry to be disagreeable, but I dont mind whats going on, I actually > think theyll get there, because the a.i. problem isnt as hard as ppl made > it out to be, I think ppl just have to attempt it and I think it should >

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-28 Thread rouncer81
Sorry to be disagreeable,  but I dont mind whats going on,  I actually think theyll get there, because the a.i. problem isnt as hard as ppl made it out to be, I think ppl just have to attempt it and I think it should work out for them. -- Artificial

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-27 Thread John Rose
With mainstream AI it's a love-hate relationship. From nothing you can spin up in minutes colossal compute resources in their clouds and then shut it down and pay a small fee. It’s all scriptable. “How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Cloud”… --

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-27 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
I think the problem with the whole neural network approach is that it doesn't teach us anything. By using infinite computing resources, certain problems can be solved (although NN are never even error-free!), but what next? It still seems so fake. On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 20:51, wrote: > "Many

[agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-27 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
OK well I don't completely hate them. I just think the current distribution of wealth and influence sucks On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 15:51, Stefan Reich < stefan.reich.maker.of@googlemail.com> wrote: > Let's use petabytes of data! Let's show off how much $$$ we have by buying > incredible

Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-27 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
I like this post. On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 19:12, wrote: > Luckily we have this list where we get together and share knowledge. One > day, possibly soon, the knowledge we share will be highly readable and will > make sense to most members. Only then will everyone get closer thinking and > feel

[agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
Do you need a mentor to explain 2+2=4? No, a ultra small pdf will do. It'll work for most humans. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T10119d5c27aad6be-M69ed6247eaf3e8aec1f005c3 Delivery options:

[agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
Luckily we have this list where we get together and share knowledge. One day, possibly soon, the knowledge we share will be highly readable and will make sense to most members. Only then will everyone get closer thinking and feel more like a team. Right now a lot of knowledge is all over the

[agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-27 Thread rouncer81
1 man army. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T10119d5c27aad6be-M328cead92fe213e3e84ea035 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

[agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

2019-10-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
Big Data Big Compute Big Money Big Company Big Error Big Confusion If you utilized small data to its fullest potential, it'd be more like: Small Data Small Compute Small Money Small Company Small Error Small Confusion We still need the grand neural schema though. One that fits the Glove over