Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-28 Thread rouncer81
The offerings of the singularity arent infinite,  but they do make us (as a capable man that understands machines.) more powerful    If someone develops amazing a.i., it will change their life, but the difference is disregardable, essentially the elements that make life worthwhile are not change

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-28 Thread immortal . discoveries
I don't know who I am and what I am how I got here or what but there is only gears/physics, my atom, eye, skull, body, home, city, just a system of pipes. There's no ghost I'm dead as dead. We only got what's here and nothing else. And even if Mars has new physics, it's just more physics, there'

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-28 Thread rouncer81
there could be a ghost, I think.  Do u know why there couldnt be?     Its of the opinion that a ghost can be in anything, because a human can be alive and active, but not be "watched" by something. The ghost in the machine. -- Artificial General Intelligen

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-28 Thread immortal . discoveries
So you're building not a computer, not a neuromorphic chip, but a real neuron, but actually scaled large, and many of them (or only 1?). What are they made of? Is it just a sponge from car washing with certain properties, maybe aligning field domains? Like I said it can be ultra faster and unlo

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-28 Thread rouncer81
Its good youve got an experiment  there,  you need more.   If you want to make a brain or even just an ordinary computer, there is experiments to do.  When it comes to consciousness im not very interested because I think the robot without the consciousness is the precursor to it,   but besides..

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13656-ten-weirdest-computers/ -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-M6a38fa6e0b64fe0b95e2c20f Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
You could opt for light and mirrors. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-M8d105c30e042c25788406cea Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
Maybe water with red dye to make it more 'fluid'. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-Md9bfcadba001cb6e5044dff8 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread rouncer81
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17730-new-microprocessor-runs-on-thin-air/  <-this is excellent. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-M329c968ee076a74bf69a8377 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
It'd only be faster though. But may allow us to do more chemistry perhaps at varying exponential combinations. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-Md923cb5fab9ea3063c0d008e Delivery o

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
Oh. Yes self-organizing paths happen. As in my movie you see paths do the magic to be like Word2Vec. His chip would need A-Z nodes, then it'd open channels (to build quantinized hierarchy) and spread energy as I showed. The winner node/it's parent would then re-generate back down to predict Next

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread keghnfeem
Colin Hales look here.  Brain-like functions emerging in a metallic nanowire network: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-12/nifm-bfe122219.php -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
Is that like when 2 guys in the back of a trailer truck put on makeup and just make up nothing's wrong? Or do we have morals coming out of our noses? Ah. If you can't get off with your eyes shut, then how can you think you don't believe in Consciousness!?

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread rouncer81
artificial plastic pneumatic neuron,   but what is it actually doing - ppl only see the specific function, not what the whole idea is. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-M90a15af650d

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread rouncer81
haHa! Yes scientificly consciousness is undecidable, how do you know your not the only one alive might as well be Jesus with everyone poking sticks at you? So with the a.i. I suggest not worry about it and just get the thing acting right. -- Artificial Gene

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-27 Thread immortal . discoveries
Good questions to Colin Matt. Show us his theory you read that says "needs consciousness" please? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-M84f5a75048b3c84f05f0e412 Delivery options: http

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-26 Thread Matt Mahoney
OC. Then you should call >> it a pilot study, and not a proof of concept prototype. As long as we're >> all empirically clear on that. >> >> ------------------ >> *From:* Colin Hales >> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 December 2019 00:20 >> *

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-26 Thread Colin Hales
a marginal POC. Then you should call > it a pilot study, and not a proof of concept prototype. As long as we're > all empirically clear on that. > > -- > *From:* Colin Hales > *Sent:* Thursday, 26 December 2019 00:20 > *To:* AGI > *Subject:*

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-26 Thread rouncer81
Hey Colin Hales,  what do you mean non computer artificial intelligence?  Whats wrong with using the computer? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-Mb29b36a11615e6f206c49433 Delivery o

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-25 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
you should call it a pilot study, and not a proof of concept prototype. As long as we're all empirically clear on that. From: Colin Hales Sent: Thursday, 26 December 2019 00:20 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days I have won a

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-25 Thread immortal . discoveries
What are you building?? A huge chip? How big. And what algorithm? What will it 'do'? And, how can you see what happens in it? So lost. Why not generate a viz on the computer showing its activity? First of all, go to OpenAI's website and read the GPT-2 blog post, and try it at TalkToTransformer.

Re: [agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-25 Thread Colin Hales
I have won a grant to build proof--of-principle hardware at macroscopic scales. 12 months. Basic 'computational unit', intrinsically adaptive. 1 million times scaled up so neuroscientists can hold it in their hands and acclimatise themselves to how it maps to membrane activity and then AGI. It's

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-24 Thread rouncer81
yeh thats amazing,   did you know youd beat the speed of light in less than 30 cogs.  who wants to have a go??!? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-M2784df42fc140352af48c486 Delivery

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-24 Thread keghnfeem
Like this one? The BEAST lego gear train https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRotCBfz0K4 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T6396a91307d96c85-Mc75b7b9b9862ea83b9cb4611 Delivery options: https://agi.topic

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-24 Thread rouncer81
Thats ok Keghn (about being "something completely different"),  this forum appears a little corpsed at the moment. :) On cogs being bits -> if you use more than one encoder wheel, cogged together, you can have an exponential amount of positions. -- Artific

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-24 Thread keghnfeem
Little off beat here. But AGI in my system uses pulses, just like spiked nerves.   A variable capacitor or inductor could be used to get position when pulsed.  Like a 100,000 pulses for the lowest setting and a million for highest position. That  is 900,000 position on a encoder wheel.  On the o

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-21 Thread rouncer81
Here, I lied by accident. https://scontent.fper6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81434916_1079649742383082_1648964143958458368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=BkVhMVTVN6QAQkedo-b7o6h-wbzxx0McDJ3XOGKhl56sqOL2rmM0ec5aQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fper6-1.fna&oh=bd041e830c521c16434248f1386a5658&oe=5EB26B67 its actually 90 ad

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-20 Thread rouncer81
Im talking more virtual robots here than real robots K.   More like advanced video games rather than real robots. But on encoders-> I dont think you need angular feedback from motors in an ideal sense,  if something is obstructing its leg then it wont have the actual position and  it doesnt mak

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-20 Thread keghnfeem
 Eight side rotary encoder.  + 4 for the right side -4 for the  other side.   I say hack out the rotor dial, third button in and old mouse and slap ti onto your robot.   But if you not using feed back then you are using a stepper motor?  Feedback wold send a pules and then measure how much it mo

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-20 Thread John Rose
It's all tradeoffs. How many times do you hit that computation is it worth putting in RAM if only a couple times. For expensive computations just offload wirelessly to a server that's running something like this: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/194146/intel-xeon-platinum-928

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-20 Thread rouncer81
yeh that sounds like a good idea.   put stuff in a table, dont need to process it, if i call it twice.  maybe there is more redundancy to programming than commonly known? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/grou

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-19 Thread John Rose
Back then a trick was to pre-compute into memory complicated calculations that would be used repeatedly then subsequently simulate the computations by accessing the memory. IOW use lookup tables, which I'm sure you're aware of. Models and components can be put into lookup tables for optimization