Re: [agi] Restating Colin's Hypothesis

Hi all, I'm struggling to find time to attend here. My appearances will be patchy. Your restatement of where I am is heading in the right direction. That is, you're grappling with the beginnings of the right ideas. Which is good to see. My goal here is simply to get the general idea of AGI as a co

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

One lesson you can learn is that if you wish to advance the state of the art it is important to know what the state of the art is. The Wright Brothers worked with someone who literally wrote the book on the state of the art at the time. So perhaps you yourself need not know the state of the art,

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

I guess Ben Kapp was saying that because of the advances made in relevant technology at the time that the Wright brothers knew that a plane was feasible and one could argue that success in AGI might just be based on being there at the right time. I could suggest that because the Wright's father was

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

Fun comparisons. Marvin Minsky likes to sound the cautionary alarm on comparisons too, if memory serves? I think we're getting somewhere, just need more people to jump in. -GJS On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Mike Archbold wrote: > I like the Wright Bros analogy, but I think people should bear

Re: [agi] AGI as adaptive control

Job title isn't the same thing as being a #realdeal engineer. Notice, a P.E. license isn't really required for manufacturing but it is required if you are building a bridge. QED, this is the nature of my argument. How often does the SEC prosecute someone for an ethics violation? Kinda important.

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

I like the Wright Bros analogy, but I think people should bear in mind that an analogy is a weak form of likeness. Flight and thinking are radically different things. So, I am just suggesting it might not make sense to line up flight and AGI in some kind of item by item comparison or the like.

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

Nevertheless, despite their brilliant successes, the Wrights never completely understood quantitatively the problem of stability of rotational motions. They shared that deficiency with all their contemporary inventors, for the same reason: they never wrote or considered equations for rotational mot

RE: [agi] Restating Colin's Hypothesis

GJS All knowledge questions are legit. I don't know the answer to your question. That's not my area of expertise. I think one would have to bootstrap the working engine with the relevant case and see what mutates. This seems to be the working model for AI development. >From my perspective, a

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

So the Wright Brothers flew ~1900.. but "Working from at least as early as 1796, when he constructed a model helicopter,[18] until his death in 1857, Sir George Cayley is credited as th

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

Here is an interesting article about the Wrights that sounds similar to what I have read before. http://wrightflyer.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/The-First-Aeronautical-Engineers-and-Test-Pilots.pdf The belief that the Wrights, who invented the wind tunnel, "just saw an algorithm and then all the

RE: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

The only way to test your hypothesis, like the Wright brothers did, is to build working prototypes and then refine them. No way 'round it. Just Do it. (Oh, that's Nike's slogan). ~PM Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 10:59:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulth

RE: [agi] AGI as adaptive control

Actually, there are Financial Engineers. That is a job title. ~PM Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 09:37:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [agi] AGI as adaptive control From: stask...@gmail.com To: a...@listbox.com Yo Piaget, I'm paranoid. So sue me. Maybe it is time to get a little more paranoid. I still remain unc

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

The Wright Brothers did spend much of their lives gazing at birds trying to understand how it is they fly. But it wasn't until they saw an algorithm for aerodynamics before they realized that human flight was just a matter of plugging the right variables into the mathematical equation to provide e

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

I think that the Wright Brothers approach is appropriate for AI / Stronger AI / AGI as well. However, I also think it is obvious that there is ample evidence that digital programming has made numerous advances in AGI even though the successes seem to lack many human-like methods of thought. I have

Re: [agi] AGI as adaptive control

Yo Piaget, I'm paranoid. So sue me. Maybe it is time to get a little more paranoid. I still remain unconvinced that robotic microtransactions are a good thing, mkay? These finance guys are not engineers, not a man jack or jill of them has a P.E. license while working for JP Morgan Chase or Wells

Re: [agi] Restating Colin's Hypothesis

Not bad guys, but next question time. It's either a really stupid question or a legit next step in terms of quantum biophysics. What are the Feynman diagrams of these EM fields when they are generated and interact? Come on. Show me something. -GJS On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Nanograte Knowled

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

Also, while I'm warming up, you guys aren't the only people who read "Stranger in a Strange Land" in Grad school, mkay. I'm more of a Spider Robinson guy actually. Speaking of somebody who can use our financial support. Anyway, I liked "Friday" and "The Moon is a harsh mistress" way better but I th

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

Steve, Tell you what, *we are dangerously off topic*. Let me help you out. I'm not getting into a pissing match with you on a public listserv. You want to actually learn something about collecting physiological data and then drawing conclusions, hey e-mail me at ulvs...@hotmail.com and we can spen

RE: [agi] Restating Colin's Hypothesis

Steve, here's some input. Colin stated: "Because it's not using neurons it won't automatically mimic brains in structure. I have no idea what a brain will look like. Physically its a crystalline rock. No actual material growth." I think Colin is building a generic platform for generative, em

[agi] Restating Colin's Hypothesis

Colin, I'm going to take a shot at restating your hypothesis in a more physics-tractable form. The remainder of this posting are what I think you are trying to say: Colin in effect says that the computational unit is NOT the synapse, but rather is the ion channel. These are MUCH more numerous tha

RE: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

Hi Colin You seem to be following a similar process to AI as to what was used to develop the first, nuclear bomb - various approaches were used coupled with great experimentation. Semantically, your inclusion of the term "emergent" in your last message undersores this approach for me. I'd like