Re: [agi] Finding analogies

2007-11-21 Thread Mike Tintner
Dennis: I just want to note, that Google does exactly that: it finds analogies to your search queries in any context Er, really? Some examples? If you ask Google to find *existing* analogies, yes. If you ask it for cool as a --- it may come up with various known analogies - cucumber/ ice

Re: Re[8]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-21 Thread William Pearson
On 21/11/2007, Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin, That's massive amount of work, but most AGI research and development can be shared with narrow AI research and development. There is plenty overlap btw AGI and narrow AI but not as much as you suggest... That's only

Re: Re[8]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-21 Thread Mike Tintner
William P: My theory of intelligence is something like this. Intelligence requires the changing of programmatic-structures in an arbitrary fashion, so that we can learn, and learn how to learn. Well, you're getting v. close. But be careful, because you'll upset Ben and Pei not to mention cog

Re: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-21 Thread Richard Loosemore
Dennis Gorelik wrote: Richard, specific technical analysis of the AGI problem that I have made indicates that nothing like a 'prototype' is even possible until after a massive amount of up-front effort. I probably misunderstand you first time. I thought you meant that this massive amount of

Re: Re[8]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-21 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you describe a piece of technology that simultaneously: - Is required for AGI. - Cannot be required part of any useful narrow AI. A one million CPU cluster. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This list is sponsored by AGIRI:

Re: Re[8]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-21 Thread Russell Wallace
On Nov 22, 2007 12:59 AM, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you describe a piece of technology that simultaneously: - Is required for AGI. - Cannot be required part of any useful narrow AI. A one million CPU cluster. Is a required

Re: Re[4]: [agi] Danger of getting what we want [from AGI]

2007-11-21 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the analogies, my point is that AGI will quickly evolve to invisibility from a human-level intelligence. I think you underestimate how quickly performance deteriorates with the growth of complexity. AGI systems would have lots of

Re: Re[4]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-21 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Nov 20, 2007 8:27 PM, Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start with weak AI programs. That would push technology envelope further and further and in the end AGI will be possible. Yeah - because weak AI is so simple. Why not just make some run-of-the-mill narrow AI with a single goal of