Mike Tinter,
If you really do not think that digital computers can be creative by
definition, I do not understand why you would like to join a mailing list
with AGI researchers? Computers operate by using software, thus, they need
to be programmed. It just seems to me that you do not understand
On 07/01/2008, Robert Wensman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think what you really want to use is the
concept of adaptability, or maybe you could say you want an AGI system that
is programmed in an indirect way (meaning that the program instructions are
very far away from what the system actually
On Jan 7, 2008 9:12 AM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert,
Look, the basic reality is that computers have NOT yet been creative in any
significant way, and have NOT yet achieved AGI - general intelligence, - or
indeed any significant rulebreaking adaptivity; (If you disagree,
Mike,
This discussion is just another a repetition of a common fallacy, namely
that computers cannot be creative (or flexible, adaptive, original etc.)
because they are programmed.
The fallacy can be illustrated by considering the following set of
situations.
1) If I tell a child how to
Robert,
Look, the basic reality is that computers have NOT yet been creative in any
significant way, and have NOT yet achieved AGI - general intelligence, - or
indeed any significant rulebreaking adaptivity; (If you disagree, please
provide examples. Ben keeps claiming/implying he's solved
Mike,
Let me clarify further. What me and other computer scientists mean by
program, is probably something like *A formal and non-ambigous description
of a deterministic system that operates over time*. Thus, if you can
describe something in nature with enough detail, your description is a
Hi,
Some of you may still remember that, in a previous discussion on the
AGI mailing list, I expressed reservation on how much open source can
contribute to AGI at the current stage. Well, I still have those
doubts --- since almost all AGI projects are at conceptual design
stage, and are trying
Mike,
To put my question in another way. Would you like to understand
intelligence? Understand it to such a degree, that you can give a detailed
and non-ambiguous description of how an intelligent system operates over
time? Well, if you do want that, then you want -using standard
terminology- to
Pei,
You can host your open source project at SourceForge immediately without
building a project team. While at Cycorp, I created and ran the OpenCyc
SourceForge project using only Cycorp contributors. There is very little
effort to create a SourceForge project, especially because you can
Would two AGI's with the same initial learning program, same hardware
in a controlled environment (same access to a specific learning base-
something like an encyclopedia) learn at different rates and excel in
different tasks?
Mike,
To put my question in another way. Would you like to
Richard,
Your below response to Mike was very good.
The notion that programmed algorithms cannot be creative is contrary to
existing evidence.
First, there already are a lot of programs that are creative. Eliza was
able to create NL chat that was good enough to make people believe it was
On Jan 7, 2008 12:08 PM, David Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would two AGI's with the same initial learning program, same hardware in a
controlled environment (same access to a specific learning base-something
like an encyclopedia) learn at different rates and excel in different tasks?
Yes
quick agi-08 update...
all 49 papers are now online and reg is open:
www.agi-08.org/papers
www.agi-08.org/register
promo video:
www.agi-08.org/video
On Dec 11, 2007 1:51 PM, Bruce Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The First Conference on Artificial General Intelligence (AGI-08)
March 1-3, 2008
How would an AGI choose which things to learn first if given enough
data so that it would have to make a choice? If two AGI's (again-same
hardware, learning programs and controlled environment) were given
the same data would they make different choices?
On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:15 AM,
2008/1/7, David Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
How would an AGI choose which things to learn first if given enough
data so that it would have to make a choice?
This is a simple question that demands a complex answer. It is like asking
How can a commercial airliner fly across the Atlantic?. Well,
Will there be any AGI08 activities in Second Life?
On 07/01/2008, Bruce Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quick agi-08 update...
all 49 papers are now online and reg is open:
www.agi-08.org/papers
www.agi-08.org/register
promo video:
www.agi-08.org/video
On Dec 11, 2007 1:51 PM,
Robert,
Thank you for your time. I am not a scientist nor do I have an
opinion or agenda on weather a successful AGI can be built. I am
just really curious and exited about the prospects.
On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Robert Wensman wrote:
2008/1/7, David Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Nothing of that nature is planned at present ... as we the conference organizers
are rather busy with other stuff, we've been pretty much fully whelmed with the
organization of the First Life conference...
It might be fun to do an in-world AGI meet-up a couple weeks after AGI-08, with
an aim of
I would like to learn more about approaches people took when trying to
implement indexing for case based reasoning (to support searches for
semantic similarities in large case-repositories) - preferably in AGI
implementations. Any good online sources to learn from?
Thanks,
Jiri Jelinek
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Ben,
I'm certainly not in position to ask for it, but if it's possible, can
some kind of microphones be used during presentations on agi-08 (if
someone is going to film it)? Audio was very poor in videos from
previous events.
--
Vladimir Nesovmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'll forward this request to those who will be handling such things...
thx
ben
On Jan 7, 2008 3:35 PM, Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ben,
I'm certainly not in position to ask for it, but if it's possible, can
some kind of microphones be used during presentations on agi-08 (if
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