Re: [agi] Re: Merging - or: Multiplicity

2008-05-29 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, On 5/28/08, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve: I have been advocating fixing the brain shorts that lead to problems, rather than jerking the entire world around to make brain shorted people happy. Which brain shorts? IMO the brain's capacity for shorts in one situation is

RE: [agi] Consciousness vs. Intelligence

2008-05-29 Thread John G. Rose
From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consciousness with minimal intelligence may be easier to build than general intelligence. General intelligence is the one that takes the resources. A general consciousness algorithm, one that creates

Re: [agi] Consciousness vs. Intelligence

2008-05-29 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:41 PM, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can the two terms be equivalent? Some may think that they are inseparable, or that one cannot exist without the other, I can understand that perspective. But there is a quantitative relationship between the two. When

Re: [agi] U.S. Plan for 'Thinking Machines' Repository

2008-05-29 Thread Richard Loosemore
Brad Paulsen wrote: Fellow AGI-ers, At the risk of being labeled the list's newsboy... U.S. Plan for 'Thinking Machines' Repository Posted by samzenpus on Wednesday May 28, @07:19PM from the save-those-ideas-for-later dept. An anonymous reader writes Information scientists organized by the

Re: [agi] U.S. Plan for 'Thinking Machines' Repository

2008-05-29 Thread Tudor Boloni
i have higher hopes for the project than richard, failing to see the circular causality alluded to... first, human intellect is quickly overwhelmed when trying to build logic structures with complex relationships or even many simple relationships strung together (we max at four or five recursions

Re: [agi] U.S. Plan for 'Thinking Machines' Repository

2008-05-29 Thread Mike Tintner
Richard:Interesting, but I am araid that whenever I see someone report a project to collect all the world's knowledge in a nice, centralized format (Cyc, and Daughters-of-Cyc) I cannot help but think of one of the early chapters in Neal Stephenson's Quicksilver, were Wilkins, Leibnitz and others

Re: [agi] U.S. Plan for 'Thinking Machines' Repository

2008-05-29 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Tudor Boloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as a side note, does anyone else feel that intelligence and compression (or less formally the ability to summarize) are identical? Yes, http://cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/rationale.html See also Hutter's work on AIXI which proves the equivalence.