Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Richard, I don't think Shane and Marcus's overview of definitions-of-intelligence is poor quality. I think it is just doing something different than what you think it should be doing. The overview is exactly that: A review of what researchers have said about the definition of intelligence.

Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-14 Thread Richard Loosemore
Pei Wang wrote: On Jan 13, 2008 7:40 PM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, as I indicated, my particular beef was with Shane Legg's paper, which I found singularly content-free. Shane Legg and Marcus Hutter have a recent publication on this topic,

Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-14 Thread Richard Loosemore
Benjamin Goertzel wrote: Richard, I don't think Shane and Marcus's overview of definitions-of-intelligence is poor quality. I'll explain why I said poor quality. In my experience of marking student essays, there is a stereotype of the night before deadline essay, which goes like this. If

Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Your job is to be diplomatic. Mine is to call a spade a spade. ;-) Richard Loosemore I would rephrase it like this: Your job is to make me look diplomatic ;-p - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to:

Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-14 Thread Richard Loosemore
Benjamin Goertzel wrote: Your job is to be diplomatic. Mine is to call a spade a spade. ;-) Richard Loosemore I would rephrase it like this: Your job is to make me look diplomatic ;-p I agree: I am undiplomatic and unreasonable. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The

Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-14 Thread Mike Tintner
I heavily agree with you, Richard. But perhaps the Hutter exercise has some value - simply by way of making us question the validity of any mathematical approach to intelligence. Well, there IS some value, (although BTW, at a glance they don't seem to recognize that IQ is not even a direct

Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-14 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Jan 14, 2008 10:10 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any fool can mathematize a definition of a commonsense idea without actually saying anything new. Ouch. Careful. :) That may be true, but it takes $10M worth of computer hardware to disprove. disclaimer: that was humor

Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-13 Thread Richard Loosemore
Pei Wang wrote: On Jan 12, 2008 3:04 PM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time a dispute erupts about what the real definition of intelligence is, all we really get is noise, because nobody is clear about the role that the definition is supposed to play. Richard, I fully

Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-13 Thread Pei Wang
On Jan 13, 2008 7:40 PM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, as I indicated, my particular beef was with Shane Legg's paper, which I found singularly content-free. Shane Legg and Marcus Hutter have a recent publication on this topic,

Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-12 Thread Richard Loosemore
Every time a dispute erupts about what the real definition of intelligence is, all we really get is noise, because nobody is clear about the role that the definition is supposed to play. If the role is to distinguish Narrow AI from AGI, Ben's definition is fine. If the role is to define a

Re: Yawn. More definitions of intelligence? [WAS Re: [agi] Ben's Definition of Intelligence]

2008-01-12 Thread Pei Wang
On Jan 12, 2008 3:04 PM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time a dispute erupts about what the real definition of intelligence is, all we really get is noise, because nobody is clear about the role that the definition is supposed to play. Richard, I fully understand how