On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Philip Sutton wrote:
Once complex brained / complecly motivated creatures start using qualia they
could play into lifepatterns so profoundly that even obscure trends in the use
of qualia for aesthetic purposes could actually effect reproductive prospects.
For example, male
Hi Brad
This is not at all true. I could design a neural network, or perhaps even
symbolic computer program that can evaluate the attractivenes of a peacock
tail and tune it to behave in a similar fashion as that tiny portion of a
real peacock's brain. Does this crude simulation contain
IMO
your third option is the closest to being correct..
"Qualia" and "information processing" are different perspectives on the
same underlying reality.
-- Ben
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Brad,
Actually this depends on your philosophy of consciousness. Panpsychists
believe everything experiences qualia -- just some things experience more
than others ;)
ben
This is an empty assertion, not a fact. While you are at it, why don't
you tell me about the comparative phlogiston
Ben Goertzel wrote:
Brad,
Actually this depends on your philosophy of consciousness. Panpsychists
believe everything experiences qualia -- just some things experience more
than others ;)
ben
The puzzle of qualia vanished for me when I realized that the only way
we know the experience of
Brad/Eugen/Ben,
Early living things/current simple-minded living things, we can conjecture
didn't/don't have perceptions that can be described as qualia. Then
somewhere along the line humans start describing perceptions that some of
them describe as qualia. It seems that something has
Philip Sutton wrote:
Brad/Eugen/Ben,
Early living things/current simple-minded living things, we can conjecture
didn't/don't have perceptions that can be described as qualia. Then
somewhere along the line humans start describing perceptions that some of
them describe as qualia. It seems that
--- Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thus it seems to me that the panpsychist view (Everything has qualia but
some have more qualia than others) and the view that quale-intensity is
associated with pattern-intensity are consistent with each other, and
consistent with human experience.
Thus it seems to me that the panpsychist view (Everything has
qualia but
some have more qualia than others) and the view that quale-intensity is
associated with pattern-intensity are consistent with each other, and
consistent with human experience.
In this view quale is a different
Yes, that's consistent with my line of thinking.
Qualia are intensity of patterns ... in human brains these are mostly neural
patterns ...
and what we *call* qualia are qualia that are patterns closely associated
with the part of the brain that deals with calling ...
-- Ben
I'd like to make a
Hey man -- the Singularity is coming in 2012, remember? Once the superhuman
AI savior comes, he'll clarify all this stuff for us immediately, and we'll
feel like fools for not seeing the truth all along ;-))
ben
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