Re: [agi] Commercial AGI ventures

2002-11-05 Thread Pei Wang
I have a list at
http://www.cis.temple.edu/~pwang/203-AI/Lecture/203-1126.htm, including
projects satisfying the following three standards:
  a.. Each of them has the plan to eventually grow into a thinking machine
or artificial general intelligence (so it is not merely about part of AI);
  b.. Each of them has been carried out for more than 5 years (so it is more
than a PhD project);
  c.. Each of them has prototypes or early versions finished (so it is not
merely a theory), and there are some publications explaining how it works
(so it is not merely a claim).
Pei

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From: Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [agi] Commercial AGI ventures



 One trouble with this endeavor is that AGI is a fuzzy set...

 However, I'd be quite interested to see this list, even so.

 In fact, I think it'd be more valuable to simply see a generic list of all
 AGI projects, be they commercial or non.

 If anyone wants to create such a list, I'll be happy to post it on the
 revised www.realai.net site, due in a month or so.

 -- Ben



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  Behalf Of Simon McClenahan
  Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:47 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [agi] Commercial AGI ventures
 
 
  Is there a list of (potential) AGI vendors somewhere? Other than
Novamente
  and A2I2, has someone compiled a list of commercial institutions that
are
  pushing their wares towards AGI?
 
  cheers,
  Simon

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[agi] Inventory of AGI projects

2002-11-05 Thread Ben Goertzel


Hi,

Inspired by a recent post, here is my attempt at a list of serious AGI
projects underway on the planet at this time.

If anyone knows of anything that should be added to this list, please let me
know.



. Novamente ...

·   Pei Wang’s NARS system

·   Peter Voss’s A2I2 project

·   Jason Hutchens’ intelligent chat bots, an ongoing project that for a while
was carried out at www.a-i.com

·   Doug Lenat’s Cyc project

·   The most serious “traditional AI” systems: SOAR and ACT-R

·   Hugo de Garis’s “artificial brain”

·   James Rogers’ information theory based AGI effort

·   Eliezer Yudkowsky’s DGI project

·   Sam Adams’ experiential learning project at IBM

·   The algorithmic information theory approach to AGI theory, carried out by
Juergen Schmidhuber and Marcus Hutter at IDSIA

.   The Cog project at MIT



-- Ben


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RE: [agi] RE: Ethical drift

2002-11-05 Thread Ben Goertzel


David Noziglia wrote:
 It is a common belief that game theory has shown that it is
 advantageous to
 be selfish and nasty.  I assume that the members of this group
 know that is
 wrong, that game theory has in fact shown that in a situation of repeated
 interaction, it is more advantageous from a strictly self-interested
 viewpoint to make nice and cooperate.  This is a simplistic description of
 the Nash Equilibrium.

 Of course, Smith's Evolutionarily Stable Sets then show that there are
 situations when betrayal then becomes of greater advantage to an
 individual,
 so we can't count on a Nash calculation to lead any and all AGI's to make
 nice and keep their human companions comfortable.

These are all interesting and important results.

However, I think you'll agree that the situation of a group of agents, some
of which are improving their intelligence and modifying their nature
dramatically at a rapid pace [the likely situation with future AGI's], is a
bit different from the assumptions underlying the simulations you mention...
!!

ben

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Re: [agi] Inventory of AGI projects

2002-11-05 Thread shane legg

I think the key fact is that most of these projects are currently
relatively inactive --- plenty of passion out there, just not a
lot of resources.  

The last I heard both the HAL project and the CAM-brain project
where pretty much at a stand still due to lack of funding?

Perhaps a good piece of information to add to a list of AGI projects
would be an indication of the level of resources that the project has.

(I'm currently between places and only on the internet via cafes...
So I won't be very active on this list for a few weeks at least)

I suppose I should give a short who-am-I for those who don't know:
I'm a New Zealand mathematician/AI kind of a guy, worked for Ben
for a few years on Webmind and spend most of this year working for
Peter Voss on the A2I2 project.  I'm into complexity and intelligence
and am starting a PhD with Marcus Hutter at IDSIA in a few months
working on a mathematical definition of intelligence that he's come
up with.

Cheers
Shane



 --- Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 
 Hi,
 
 Inspired by a recent post, here is my attempt at a list of serious AGI
 projects underway on the planet at this time.
 
 If anyone knows of anything that should be added to this list, please let me
 know.
 
 
 
 . Novamente ...
 
 · Pei Wang’s NARS system
 
 · Peter Voss’s A2I2 project
 
 · Jason Hutchens’ intelligent chat bots, an ongoing project that for a while
 was carried out at www.a-i.com
 
 · Doug Lenat’s Cyc project
 
 · The most serious “traditional AI” systems: SOAR and ACT-R
 
 · Hugo de Garis’s “artificial brain”
 
 · James Rogers’ information theory based AGI effort
 
 · Eliezer Yudkowsky’s DGI project
 
 · Sam Adams’ experiential learning project at IBM
 
 · The algorithmic information theory approach to AGI theory, carried out by
 Juergen Schmidhuber and Marcus Hutter at IDSIA
 
 . The Cog project at MIT
 
 
 
 -- Ben
 
 
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Re: [agi] NARS and Oscar [was: Commercial AGI ventures]

2002-11-05 Thread Pei Wang
I studied OSCAR years ago, but haven't followed it closely. Simply speaking,
both OSCAR and NARS are logic-based approaches, and their major difference
is that OSCAR stays much closer to traditional mathematical logic (in terms
of formal language, semantics, rules, control mechanism, and so on).  The
logic of OSCAR is similar to nonmonotonic logic --- defeasible, indeed, but
doesn't handle learning and revision in general that well.

Pei

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Subject: [agi] NARS and Oscar [was: Commercial AGI ventures]



 Pei,

 I've been reading thru some of the papers on the OSCAR site,

 
  http://oscarhome.soc-sci.arizona.edu/ftp/OSCAR-web-page/OSCAR.htm
 

 The general cognitive architecture Pollock proposes there seems
reasonable,
 although I feel it's very incomplete, focusing exclusively on logical
 inference and then inferential procedure learning.  To me, his logic-based
 learning methods are too incremental and localized in nature, and I
 doubt the system will be capable of creative insights or major leaps of
 learning unless it's significantly modified  augmented.  For example, for
 procedure learning, he basically relies on probabilistic enhancement of
 standard goal-regression planning algorithms, and I don't think this kind
of
 approach is anywhere near adequate

 However, there is definitely some unique content here, which lies in the
 details of his theory of defeasible reasoning [as opposed to deductive
 reasoning].

 I am curious whether you have any thoughts on his defeasible reasoning
 approach, and its relation to your own NARS reasoning approach...

 -- Ben

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