RE: [agi] Inventory of AGI projects

2002-11-06 Thread Ben Goertzel

 I think the key fact is that most of these projects are currently
 relatively inactive --- plenty of passion out there, just not a
 lot of resources.

 The last I heard both the HAL project and the CAM-brain project
 where pretty much at a stand still due to lack of funding?

That is correct.

I don't think significant engineering is going on in Pei's NARS project at
the moment, either.

Cyc, Novamente, A2I2, and James' Rogers' project, on the other hand, are
quite actively being developed...

 Perhaps a good piece of information to add to a list of AGI projects
 would be an indication of the level of resources that the project has.

A categorization into projects with an active engineering team working on
them versus projects that are on hold would certainly be valuable, I


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RE: [agi] Spatial Reasoning: Modal or Amodal?

2002-11-06 Thread Ben Goertzel

James Rogers wrote:
 You would quite obviously be correct about the tractability if someone
 actually tried to brute force the entire algorithm space in L.  The
 knowability factor means that we don't always (hardly ever?) get the
 best algorithm, but it learns and adapts very fast and this
 automatically sieves the L-space into something very tractable.

Any estimates of the average error incurred by searching only the locally
knowable space instead of the whole space?

 Actually, this situation is a little different. I've dabbled in the
 commercial aspects for some time but always pulled back because I
 decided that I wasn't ready.  This is actually the real deal
 business-wise and relatively recent, not yet at its first birthday.

Well, congratulations!!

 Contrary to some rumors, there are a lot of very smart and
 forward-thinking venture funding types in Silicon Valley in addition to
 the usual business school idiots.  Some of them can even talk about
 algorithmic information theory (the theoretical basis of our technology)
 at a shallow level without getting a deer in the headlights look.

There are indeed some very smart VC's out there -- and not only in Silicon

However, I think you'll agree that they are definitely in the minority!

 As you mention, it is pretty hard to get proper funding for anything
 relating to AGI, especially when it is pretty early in the RD stage.
 I've actually been working on this AGI technology since the mid-90's,
 though originally I only got involved at all trying to solve a
 particularly difficult adaptive optimization problem for a client. It
 has been essentially self-funded to this point, and it took me a long
 time to develop it to the point where I felt the technology could be
 sold in a marketplace that has a very jaded and skeptical view of AI.

 I'm also an investor/instigator in another venture which has done very
 well and generally made full-funding of the AGI venture fairly certain
 regardless.  Patience, hard work, and all of that; I planned to make
 this happen one way or another. :-)

Well, it all sounds very interesting, and it's really too bad you're not at
this point in a position to share the scientific details with the rest of

Without either

a) the scientific details, or
b) an impressive AGI demonstration to play with

it's obviously not possible for me to intelligently assess how close I think
you are to really cracking the AGI problem...

-- Ben

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